Ed over the years I have experimented with 3/8-1/2 wave inverted L's/T's on 160 meters with success. I published a website about it at http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o9.htm . 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA nz4o at arrl.net NZ4O Amateur & SWL Radio Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org