Topband: New 160M high performance receiving antenna at W3LPL

[Joel Harrison]

I do have an 80 meter version in addition to the 160 array and can report
there is plenty of "reserve" signal on 80 as well even after 600 ft of
feedline and splitting the signal to two receivers.

73 Joel W5ZN


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:41 AM, <donovanf at starpower.net> wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> I'm not aware of any reason why eight Magic-T splitters couldn't be added
> to an 8-circle BSEF array to enable installation of a second azimuth switch.
>
> My 160 meter BSEF array has plenty of signal level reserve, an additional
> 3 dB of loss wouldn't be a problem at all.  I haven't built an 80 meter
> BSEF array yet, so I can't comment on its reserve signal level.  I've
> checked the feedpoint impedances several times since installation and so
> far all of the verticals are very stable with eight 70 foot radials laid on
> the surface of the ground, I don't yet know if the impedances will continue
> to be stable during very dry soil conditions.
>
> If you build your own Magic-T splitters, use an oscilloscope to verify
> that all eight Magic-Ts have identical phase shift from their inputs to
> their outputs.
>
> My new 160 meter BSEF array is performing superbly, consistently equal to
> or better than my 900 foot Beverage.  Tuesday night my neighbor W3UR worked
> T6LG on top band using my new BSEF array for receiving.  T6LG was solid
> copy on the BSEF array, and uncopiable on my 900 foot Beverage and full
> size 4-square.  Unfortunately I arrived at the party a just few seconds too
> late...
>
> I live in a lightly developed suburban area (mostly 3 acre lots and some
> one acre lots).  My RFI noise level isn't terrible but its not stone quiet
> like it was 25 years ago.  Unfortunately the lack of effective RFI
> regulations for plasma TVs, switching power supplies, etc combined with
> suburban sprawl has raised my background noise level.  The new BSEF array
> helps a lot!
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:25:26 -0800 (PST)
> >From: bruce whitney <zuceman at yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: Topband: New 160M high performance receiving antenna at W3LPL
> >To: topband at contesting.com
> >
> >8 Circle Receiving Arrays..
> >Appears to me that the general consensus is that for maximum single band
> performance - the best way to build a receiving BSEF 8 circle is with
> resonant (passive) vertical elements. The circle diameter is probably best
> (for single band 160M) about 351 foot diameter (.327 wave radius).
> >
> >My question for this astute reflector is whether there is any reason
> multiple receivers can't be connected to the array - listening in the same
> or different directions. Simply by multiple layers of the same RF switch
> matrix with proper selection/phasing etc. Would a magic T be required from
> each element into the separate switch matrices?
> >
> >Frank or Tom - are you already doing this?
> >
> >Bruce W8RA
> >
> >
> >--- On Wed, 2/13/13, Tom W8JI <w8ji at w8ji.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: Tom W8JI <w8ji at w8ji.com>
> >Subject: Re: Topband: New 160M high performance receiving antenna at W3LPL
> >To: "Rudy Bakalov" <r_bakalov at yahoo.com>, topband at contesting.com
> >Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:53 AM
> >
> >
> >> I have been wondering if the antenna element in phased arrays could be
> a loop rather than a vertical. My thinking is that the loop has some level
> of directivity so phasing two of them should result in better side lobe
> suppression compared to a vertical. Is there any merit to this thought?
> Specifically, will I see better RDF numbers if I were to use loop elements
> in any of the active 8 and 4 circle systems (e.g., DX Engineering, Hi-Z
> Antennas, etc.)?
> >>
> >
> >Hi Rudy,
> >
> >A loop can work in a fixed array, or bi-directional array. My first
> antenna allowing me to work JA's through LORAN from Ohio was a long array
> of loops, although these were elongated loops. I also had long end-fire
> arrays of small inverted delta loops in Cleveland in the 80's, and small
> active verticals.
> >
> >Small loops do not work well when used in things like four squares or 8
> circle arrays. A multiple direction array, like a four square or 8-circle,
> requires a uniform pattern of uniform phase from each element or cell.
> >
> >With a small loop, phase flips 180-degrees immediately after crossing the
> null. Also, the directivity is generally poor because the small loop has
> two very sharp null points though the loop axis, but a broad response
> everywhere else. Both of these things actually hurt performance of arrays
> with loops that depend on phasing to eliminate side nulls.
> >
> >Elongated loops are a different story, because (we probably all know)
> elongated loops are not really loops in function. They are really phased
> verticals, and the horizontal part or component of the conductors is simply
> a phasing line. K9AY's, Flags, Pennants, EWE's, and other forms of
> elongated loops are really all just phased verticals in function. They have
> a wider null and no sudden phase shift at the null, and no null cone at the
> side or "loop axis".
> >
> >The best element for a traditional 8-circle or four square will always be
> a simple vertical, and even in a broadside array we would want to avoid
> small loops with deep axis nulls. They are OK as cells in an end-fire
> array, but not particularly advantageous for pattern unless elongated. I
> used small loops as a matter of "construction convenience" as deltas in a
> long endfire array, but the deep side null in that array was really created
> by out-of-phase cells of deltas and not the sharp null pattern of the
> individual delta. It could have just as well been verticals with no loss of
> pattern.
> >
> >73 Tom
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