Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach"

[Tom W8JI]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yuri Blanarovich" <k3bu at optimum.net>
To: <topband at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach"


>
> Oh, here comes the "guru" again. :-)

Is that immature stuff really necessary?

> Unnecessary debate? We are talking about experiences and RESULTS of 
> comparing normal in land "ground" effect vs. salt water beach or marshes. 
> We are commenting on the benefit of immediate proximity of salt water to 
> antenna performance, especially on low angles.
> K3BU and others found out that it is not "feeling," but S-meter readings 
> in order of 10 - 20 dB (RX and TX!) in favor of salty beach. It is like 
> driving inside into the amplifier

Perhaps you can explain why VOA and others willingly gave up that 10-20 dB, 
and how K3LR and W3LPL do so well inland, when they pay a 10-20 dB penalty 
for communications?

One would think if there was a 10-20 db penalty, it would show on skimmers 
and that W2GD would be unbeatable being on the water. I'm sure I'm missing 
something. What is it I am missing?

Thanks, Tom