Nc3Z I use a 1wl vertical plane loop for DX on 80-20. It does about as well as the 80m inv V with apex at a little under twice the height. If I had room I'd try a 1WL on 160, even with the 50' height limitation. For local...I'm lazy. I'd try the 1WL before doing all the work to clear space for the 2WL :-) 73, -Bob ah7i/w4 and no decent 160m antenna yet.