Topband: Remote now DXCC??

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Why does publishing the results change anything.  Is there a prize for 
being Honor Roll number 1?

How do you account for all the other dirty contacts on the DXCC rolls?  
Those are just ignored and only remote contacts are the problem?

Once again they publish where you stand.  If guess if you need to 
compare yourself to other people on the list so be it.  I have been 
working on and off for DXCC honor roll since 1978.  It is not a race for 
me.  Obtaining Honor Role takes time, skill and patience.  The more time 
people have to spend in front of their radio the more dx they work.

The guy that has 10 more countries than me is not necessarily any better 
at dxing than I am.  He might just have been on the radio more and was 
in an area that had better propagation.

You are trying to find reasons to discredit remote operations by filling 
holes in a DXCC program that is far from perfect.

Mike W0MU

On 2/27/2015 11:02 AM, Doug Renwick wrote:
> Yes the DXCC award you have earned is yours.
> But the problem is the publishing of the standings.  The cheaters,
> commercial RHR users, ethical types are all grouped together.  If the
> standings were not published, highlighted, promoted then it would be a
> personal award.  But when ALL are grouped together in the standings by call
> sign and totals, then it becomes an issue.
>
> No, the ARRL recognizes they can't/don't want to control the cheaters and so
> have abdicated their responsibility in setting ethical standards.
>
> Doug
>
> I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Why are we centered on remote operations dirtying up the DXCC program?
> DXCC is far from clean now and from the limited amount of reading
> available people have been scamming DXCC long before I was licensed in 1978.
>
> The ARRL recognizes that this is a new and upcoming technology and the
> more and more people will be using it.
>
> The DXCC program is based on YOUR moral and ethical fiber not to cheat.
> We through some card checking in there and catch a few problems here and
> there.
>
> I was doing an audit of my award and found and number of typos that gave
> me credit for countries I never worked on certain bands.  I alerted the
> DXCC desk and they fixed them.  How many other people are going to take
> the time to do what I did and then willingly remove a confirmation.  I
> would hope most, but many don't care.
>
> We know people have been using excessive and illegal power for years and
> years.
>
> People have submitted QSL cards that have been altered or submitted
> cards that for countries they have never worked.
>
> We know people said they want to places they did not.  How many did we
> catch vs how many that were not.  How many of you know things have never
> been reported.
>
> Remote receivers.  Remote Xmitters.
>
> The DXCC award that you earn is yours.   How you get there is up to you
> and your integrity, morals, ethics, etc.  The cheating has been going on
> for years and years and years.  Remote is just another avenue for  a
> cheater to use.
>
> The issuing of a DXCC award to someone else has no bearing on your
> award.  Nothing changed.  You didn't drop a spot or gain a spot. Your
> standing is based on the number of countries you have worked and claimed.
>
> If the ARRL did not make money selling plaques and certificates and LOTW
> credits do you really think they would be pushing it?  The Centennial
> QSO party was marketing genius.  They sold tons of LOTW credits and
> awards.  They are not making any money from my Life Membership that I
> paid for 30 years ago.
>
> Ham radio is centered around the vast majority of people doing it right
> and they do.  For the most part we are a self policing group.
>
> Just like packet, remote radio is here, has been here for a while and it
> is never going away.  Remote radio is not going affect your awards and
> you will probably never know if and when you work remote stations.
>
> The only problems I see are perceived problems that might happen or that
> have been happening for years that most just never knew about. Running
> remote from W7 and not telling people that your Xmitter is in Virginia
> is just one bad apple.  He should do what is right.  How many slims have
> we all worked?  Plenty.  What was the result of that?  Go work the
> station again.
>
>
> Mike W0MU
>
>
>
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