Topband: Strange propagation

john w8wej at
Thu Jan 14 18:14:25 EST 2016

  really? to which I say,,,God bless you,,, Ill just turn the other 
check   for me this thread is over
73 john w8wej

On 1/14/2016 10:56 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> Did you ever shoot an animal with a gun?  Shooting an animal with a gun is like using RHR for ANTO.  Shooting an animal with a bow and arrow is like using your station that may be just average.  The ethics of the whole thing has already been settled by the ARRL so ethics don't have to be looked at.
> for years I was a very hard hunter of game,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john <w8wej at>
> To: topband <topband at>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:28 pm
> Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation
> you know,,,at 74 if I need something that bad,,, I need to re-evaluate
> my priorities,,,   what ever I work will be from my home , or my farm,
> 32 miles away  I am very fortunate to have both and a basic station
> station at both,, in person
> on site
> ,,, I understand folks in apartments etc,,, but for those folk who , in
> my opinion work  stuff via  what ever cost and remote coast to coast
> is just plain wrong-- arrl need to look at the entire ethics again. I
> know = dollars
> for years I was a very hard hunter of game,,, but I never took any thing
> that would not go to some one  to eat.. In the total scheme of things
> trophies and certificates are just that ,,, nothing more , nothing less
> just saying
> as for me , Ill work what I can from home and at my farm,,, in person,
> on site,, -- again I am not  slamming  anyone from an apartment or place
> that they  can not put up an antenna, who I do slam is the folks that
> will work em at any cost and who  already have substantial stations
> dx is
> what I have written I have written
> done now   73 john w8wej
> On 1/14/2016 9:28 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>> Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent
>> locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work
>> DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will
>> become  hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
>> Dave, W5UN
>> On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>>> I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the
>>> years here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I
>>> have also rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally
>>> scrapped enough money together and bought a home next to a large salt
>>> pond. I have full remote station here but it only functions for
>>> contest operated by a cliff dweller in NYC who cares not for DXCC
>>> credit.  The problem with the US RHR deals is that it completely
>>> skews the process as far as the propagation differences across the
>>> fruited plan.  I would love to add to my DXCC totals as I close into
>>> the 300 mark.  USA stations can do this but is it ethical.  It sure
>>> makes money for a pay to play amateur radio scheme. But is it the way
>>> you want low band Dx-ing to become?  I hope not as you only will need
>>> a computer and an internet connection and everything else that used
>>> to a worthwhile effort is trashed.
>>> I remember a former 160 meter DX pioneer, Charles O'Brien who
>>> originally from Illinois used a 1/4 wave bent Marconi and 25 watts to
>>> work a G station.  This is what we are or what we used to be. RHR I
>>> am afraid is the end of an era were perseverance and not vast amounts
>>> of  QRO muscle and money decided who was on top. That is a shame and
>>> perhaps to some a disgrace as it really chances everything including
>>> the respect we have for those who did so much with so little.`
>>> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>>> On 1/14/2016 12:43 AM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>>>> I will say this:
>>>> operating a remote station (for money) owned and managed by someone
>>>> else will never be as satisfying as operating your own station,
>>>> built by your hands. But than again, if you have no station, and are
>>>> unable to build one up, what's your choice? I built (and rebuilt) a
>>>> beautiful station and antenna system here over the past fifteen
>>>> years, only to see much of it destroyed by storms in recent years.
>>>> Now I am unable to rebuild anymore.
>>>> Dave, W5UN
>>>> On 1/14/2016 2:26 AM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote:
>>>>> Ed N1UR said "It seems non-trivial to me as to how to maintain
>>>>> these remote
>>>>> stations."
>>>>> My guess is it was someone using the Portland, OR station in the
>>>>> Remote Ham
>>>>> Radio network ( The
>>>>> stations
>>>>> are available for a price.
>>>>> I don't know whose actual station that is - but I'm sure it is
>>>>> someone's
>>>>> home station (just like all the others in the network).
>>>>> Carl K9LA
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