Topband: 160 vertical/L

Donald Chester k4kyv at hotmail.com
Mon Jan 23 11:39:34 EST 2017


I ran across this, which was originally posted on the Broadcasting list and may be of interest to Topbanders.  Something I might add as a justification for exceeding, if possible, the point of diminishing returns in a radial field (not necessarily going all the way to 120) is that in many installations, some of radials will eventually get damaged or the wire may deteriorate in certain soils, and the redundancy may assure the ground system a longer lifetime.  Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Don k4kyv

> On Wed Jan 18 17:48:53 CST 2017 Mike Vanhooser novaelec at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> As someone who has a great deal of experience with elevated counterpoise, I can assure you that 4 will work just fine.  I typically use 6, which is what the Commission prefers to see, but the performance between the two is almost unnoticeable.  Clarence Beverage has even more experience than I do, and he is the one who walked it through the approval process.  You can get his NAB paper on the subject in the documents section of his website, www.commtechrf.com, filename NAB1995. 

The reason for 120 radials is because that is what they put in during the original development.  A prime case of "That's how we always did it" making into a regulation.  At about 60 radials you begin to hit the point of diminishing return, and anything over 90 is virtually undetectable.  The main reason for so many is to overcome the earth losses.  Once you get about .02 wavelength above ground, you have overcome the majority of that.  I can show you the ND proof from WDTW, which had 6 radials, and it is almost a perfect circle, except for a rise to the NE where there was reradiation from the tall streetlight poles on I-94, about 100° away. 

In your situation..., were the radials elevated or on the ground?  That makes a big difference.  I understand the phenomena with the VHF/UHF verticals, but MW behaves a little differently.  Another consultant friend did an experiment many years ago to find out the directionality, if any, of a partial radial field.  He was installing a new ground system, so he plowed in 60 radials in a 180° arc.  Here was an AM tower with half the radial field missing, so what would it do?  He ran a ND proof on the antenna, and was amazed at what he saw.  The pattern was completely round, with no discernible attenuation over the missing radials.  He plowed in the remaining 60 and saw no change, other than a slight increase in radiation efficiency by going from 60 to 120 radials.  So an adequate counterpoise at MW frequencies produces a true omnidirectional radiation pattern, whether in the ground or in the air.  It just takes a whole lot less copper
> when you go airborne.

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