Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 177, Issue 1
gary mankoff
garyjm88 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 1 18:46:44 EDT 2017
160 i l with FCP
Everyone has been so helpful
I'm going to throw this out here for everyone
A 3/8 inverted l cut for 160 fed at bottom about 170 feet ,equal lengths for vert and horizontal using an FCP's
thoughts on 3 independent FCP's
one for 160 one for 80 one for 40
Can the FCP's be in parraled
Or should they be switched
The horizontal arm end from this qth points ne ,perfect for Europe ,or should I broadside the horizontal section ne by sw ?
Or am I wasting my time with 3 FCP's
73
Gary
N6biz
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> 1. Re: Inverted L successes (garyk9gs)
> 2. Re: Inverted L successes (Glenn Wyant)
> 3. Re: Inverted L successes (GaryK9GS)
> 4. Re: Inverted L successes (Mike Waters)
> 5. Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain? (Ed)
> 6. Re: Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain?
> (Herbert Schoenbohm)
> 7. ZL3IX (Joe Galicic)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:15:24 -0500
> From: garyk9gs <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
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> But being 800+ miles closer to EU (many countries there compared to North America) and a path that is largely over salt water is a huge advantage, particularly on the low bands.
>
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> 73-Gary K9GS?
> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h at jeremy.qozzy.com> Date: 8/31/17 3:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>, topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
> Most of LI is glacial sand and only the coastal areas benefit verticals.
>
> Carl
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GaryK9GS" <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>
> To: <topband at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
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>
>>
>> I suspect that your success is largely due to your location on Long
>> Island.
>>
>> 73,
>> Gary K9GS
>> -------- Original message --------From: JAYB1943 at OPTONLINE.NET Date:
>> 8/28/17? 5:22 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>,
>> topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Last fall I installed an ?S-9? 43 ft vertical, added a tapped loading coil
>> at the base, with 10 on-the-ground radials about 100 ft long randomly run
>> all over my 60x90 house plot. Rig is 300 watts - Started on 160 DXCC with
>> 32 entities, finished DXCC in one winter season.
>> My secret: JT65 !!!! (tnx K1JT)
>> Try anything ? you will be amazed how successful you can be on top-band
>> with a little patience and VERY modest antennas. 73, Jay NY2NY
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> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:58:44 -0400
> From: Glenn Wyant <va3dx at sympatico.ca>
> To: garyk9gs <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>
> Cc: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
> Message-ID: <17B90D10-B4CB-4A39-92FE-0D399683AD4D at sympatico.ca>
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> Since 1984, only inverted L , no RX antennas, city lot , city noise, inv L ( 70' vertical ), near Toronto, 277 dxcc countries worked and confirmed. Va3dx
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>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 17:15, garyk9gs <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> But being 800+ miles closer to EU (many countries there compared to North America) and a path that is largely over salt water is a huge advantage, particularly on the low bands.
>>
>>
>> 73-Gary K9GS
>> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h at jeremy.qozzy.com> Date: 8/31/17 3:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>, topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Most of LI is glacial sand and only the coastal areas benefit verticals.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "GaryK9GS" <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>
>> To: <topband at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that your success is largely due to your location on Long
>>> Island.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Gary K9GS
>>> -------- Original message --------From: JAYB1943 at OPTONLINE.NET Date:
>>> 8/28/17 5:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>,
>>> topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>> Last fall I installed an ?S-9? 43 ft vertical, added a tapped loading coil
>>> at the base, with 10 on-the-ground radials about 100 ft long randomly run
>>> all over my 60x90 house plot. Rig is 300 watts - Started on 160 DXCC with
>>> 32 entities, finished DXCC in one winter season.
>>> My secret: JT65 !!!! (tnx K1JT)
>>> Try anything ? you will be amazed how successful you can be on top-band
>>> with a little patience and VERY modest antennas. 73, Jay NY2NY
>>> _________________
>>> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
>>> _________________
>>> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:55:57 -0500
> From: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>
> To: Carl <km1h at jeremy.qozzy.com>, topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
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> No problem Carl. ? Ax they say in real ?estate, ?"location, ?location, ?location " ?:)
>
>
> 73,
> Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h at jeremy.qozzy.com> Date: 8/31/17 7:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: garyk9gs <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>, topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
> I was only referring to its physical characteristics, not location. Having
> been raised on LI it was not a good place for verticals, especially a
> Gotham!
>
> OTOH I worked lots of 160M AM mobiles there out to 20 miles or so during
> their evening commuting hours. I was running a Viking I at 100W to a 40M
> dipole fed with 72 Ohm twinlead with the ends tied together. Absolutely no
> ground.......at about 15-16 I didnt know better!
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
> 301 DXCC 39 Zones on 160 CW all from one NH town, no remotes EVER
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "garyk9gs" <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>
> To: <topband at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>
>
>> But being 800+ miles closer to EU (many countries there compared to North
>> America) and a path that is largely over salt water is a huge advantage,
>> particularly on the low bands.
>>
>>
>> 73-Gary K9GS
>> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h at jeremy.qozzy.com> Date:
>> 8/31/17? 3:08 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>,
>> topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Most of LI is glacial sand and only the coastal areas benefit verticals.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "GaryK9GS" <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com>
>> To: <topband at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that your success is largely due to your location on Long
>>> Island.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Gary K9GS
>>> -------- Original message --------From: JAYB1943 at OPTONLINE.NET Date:
>>> 8/28/17 5:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>,
>>> topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>> Last fall I installed an ?S-9? 43 ft vertical, added a tapped loading
>>> coil
>>> at the base, with 10 on-the-ground radials about 100 ft long randomly run
>>> all over my 60x90 house plot. Rig is 300 watts - Started on 160 DXCC with
>>> 32 entities, finished DXCC in one winter season.
>>> My secret: JT65 !!!! (tnx K1JT)
>>> Try anything ? you will be amazed how successful you can be on top-band
>>> with a little patience and VERY modest antennas. 73, Jay NY2NY
>>> _________________
>>> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
>>> _________________
>>> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:08:37 -0500
> From: Mike Waters <mikewate at gmail.com>
> To: topband <topband at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
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> And I would add, "vertical polarization, vertical polarization, vertical
> polarization." :-)
> www.w0btu.com/160_meters.html
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:55 PM, GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ... Ax they say in real estate, "location, location, location " :)
>>
>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:57:27 +0300
> From: Ed <navydude1962 at yahoo.com>
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain?
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> Greetings from Saudi Arabia! I think a lot about my home QTH in California and how I want to make the most of my antenna potential.
>
> I have an area that I would like to devote to receiving antennas, that's about 150' square feet. Thought about the DXE Active 4 Sq array but they say installing this on Sloping terrain will degrade its performance. In my case, the slope is about 30-35 degrees, so I'm sure that limits me.
>
> The transmitting antenna area is about 300-400 feet away, which provides adequate isolation from where I want to install a receiving antenna. Trying to figure out what is most suitable. In addition to 160m, I am also interested in BCB DXing and some the demonstrations viewed on YouTube are quite impressive!
>
> Would really appreciate some input. I can always provide my home address, where the two antenna areas can be seen on Google Maps.
>
> 73,
> Ed NI6S/7Z1ES
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> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:44:58 -0400
> From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com>
> To: Ed <navydude1962 at yahoo.com>, TopBand List <topband at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: Topband: Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain?
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> Not really if it is a gentle slope since IMHO the arrival angle of the
> incoming signal will most likely not be bothered.? The slope may
> actually attenuate some ground wave noise in those directions a bit thus
> improving the S/N ratio.
>
>
>
> Herb, KV4FZOn 9/1/2017 6:37 AM, Ed wrote:
>> Yes, Herb. I have considered this, too. But I think I may run into the
>> same problem with sloping terrain. Thoughts?
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 13:13, Herbert Schoenbohm
>> <herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Since your space is limited to preclude a bunch of Beverages I would
>>> highly recommend the SAL-30 which is a shared loop array from Array
>>> Solutions. This is really a high performance antenna and should give
>>> you every thing you need.
>>>
>>> https://www.arraysolutions.com/as-sal-30
>>>
>>> Herb, KV4FZ
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 4:57 AM, Ed via Topband
>>> <topband at contesting.com <mailto:topband at contesting.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings from Saudi Arabia!? I think a lot about my home QTH in
>>> California and how I want to make the most of my antenna potential.
>>>
>>> I have an area that I would like to devote to receiving antennas,
>>> that's about 150' square feet. Thought about the DXE Active 4 Sq
>>> array but they say installing this on Sloping terrain will
>>> degrade its performance. In my case, the slope is about 30-35
>>> degrees, so I'm sure that limits me.
>>>
>>> The transmitting antenna area is about 300-400 feet away, which
>>> provides adequate isolation from where I want to install a
>>> receiving antenna. Trying to figure out what is most suitable.?
>>> In addition to 160m, I am also interested in BCB DXing and some
>>> the demonstrations viewed on YouTube are quite impressive!
>>>
>>> Would really appreciate some input. I can always provide my home
>>> address, where the two antenna areas can be seen on Google Maps.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Ed NI6S/7Z1ES
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Joe Galicic <galicic at comcast.net>
> To: TopBand List <topband at contesting.com>
> Subject: Topband: ZL3IX
> Message-ID: <1358763360.208009.1504272146122 at connect.xfinity.com>
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> Big surprise working ZL3IX at 1023Z this morning with only 100 watts and no RX antenna up yet. He was S9 at times ! I saw the spot but was sure I wouldn?t be able to hear him. Boy was I surprised when I tuned to his frequency and heard him like he was a local. The amp wasn?t warmed up yet so I gave him a call with 100 watts and he came right back on the first try.
>
>
> This is the second time I have experienced this phenomenon on 160. I worked VK3IO last year about the same time of year where he was very strong and easy to work. I will have to pay more attention to 160 this time of year.
>
>
> Fun !
>
>
> Joe
>
> N3HEE
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