Topband: 160m polarization and elevation angles

[Lee STRAHAN]

  Jimmy Sullivan W7EJ  (SK) had a rotary dipole up for 160 meters at his CN2R station. You can still see the antenna as his CN2R site is still up. It came down in a wind storm in 2009, and I have no real knowledge of how well it worked but one might contact Dick W7ZR for information as he did some contesting from there. Also Jimmy's logs are still on site as well. A brief look showed it worked pretty well. Morocco is about 32 degrees North. YMMV
Lee   K7TJR

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Thomson
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 10:15 AM
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Subject: Re: Topband: 160m polarization and elevation angles

Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 23:15:00 +0800
From: "Steve Ireland" <vk6vz at arach.net.au>
To: <topband at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m polarisation and elevation angles


<Equally as Tom W8JI found that his dipole at 300?' feet high (to quote Guy K2AV) ?would never beat a commercial-AM-BC-quality vertical and radial field, and only infrequently would equal it?, Mike VK6HD spent at least a year making A/B comparisons between an inverted vee <dipole (at 90 feet) and a quarter-wave inverted-L with a 85? vertical section over 132 x 132? radials and found that mostly the inverted vee dipole was ?'2 ?S? points better than the inverted L on both receive and transmit.  

<Steve, VK6VZ (licensed as G3ZZD in 1971)

##  W8JI  never had a dipole up  300 ft.   He had an inverted  VEE    up  300 ft.  I believe the enclosed angle was far less than 90 degrees. 
You require  2 x 300  ft towers to string up a 160m dipole at  a height of 300 ft.  W8JI  only had  1 x  300 ft tower at the time.  
  Tom,  N6BT is adamant that a rotary dipole  will outperform an inverted vee  by 6 db, with the apex of the Vee  at the same height as the rotary  dipole. 
N6BT  also claimed the  rotary dipole would have a 14 db  FS.... on DX signals. 

##  Years ago,  I heard these 2  fellows on from Oregon. One of them had up his new  F12  160m  rotary dipole,  mounted on top of his  120 ft tower. 
This  160m rotary dipole  was aprx 102 ft long, and used  LL wires both  above..and below the main trunk section.  The fellow was using a MFJ-259
at the time, and those things  wont work below  1800 khz.   The rotary dipole was resonant below  1800 khz.    They finally got it sorted out..and resonated it 
at the low end of 160m band.   2:1  SWR BW  was aprx   18 khz.  IE:  + /-  9 khz..   Relays  have to be used to  switch band segments about.   
The very 1st  DX station he worked was a  4X4  on CW..... go figure.   Trying to work  EU  from the west coast  on  160M is a tough nut to crack. 

##  If using an inverted vee..and say oriented N-S..... then move the legs  so they are now  E-W,   I never saw any difference, minor at best, but that was on 80m,
and also 40m..... and in both cases, the re-orientation of the legs was done fairly quickly.   I believe the baluns I used at the time were flaky at best...  BN-86  junk. 

##  Other than the fellow in ORE,  I never heard about anybody else using a loaded rotary dipole on 160m.   I have heard several rotary dipoles on both 80m  and also 40m.
The 80m rotary dipoles that I have heard on the air  had pretty substantial signals if oriented broadside in my direction.   When the bands were lousy, and signals were weak, the
fellows with the 80m rotary dipoles were  way ahead of the fellows with the inverted vees.     I never did find out what the RX noise level was like with the 160m  rotary   dipole 
in Ore.  

Jim   VE7RF   

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