Topband: ARRL 160, was Re: Polarization on 160m

kolson at kolson at
Thu Nov 29 02:17:47 EST 2018

Errr... if the rules specify RAC sections (just like it specifies ARRL sections in the US) and VE9, VE1 and VY2 are one RAC section rather than three RAC sections, it sounds like your beef w ould be with the RAC... no? 

My assumption is that if RAC decided to break MAR up into NB, NS and VY2 the ARRL would honor that. In the US there have been sections changed and added and SS reflected that, so why not? Maybe you should contact RAC with your reasonable concerns. 

73, Kevin K3OX 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve9aa at> 
To: topband at 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:40:51 PM 
Subject: Topband: ARRL 160, was Re:  Polarization on 160m 

Don't feel bad Herb.  I'm in the same boat.  I am a VE9..have been since 
1993 when they split, NB, NS and VY2 into various distinct prefixes. 

I live in New Brunswick. (a real Province). Prefix VE9 


In 98% of all contests, where S/P/C are mults, I get to send "NB", but in SS 
and I believe the ARRL 160, I have to send "MAR", so 

I don't get to compete against other VE9's...I have to compete against VE1, 
VE9 and VY2' figure out how to solve this, 

please let me know.  It's like all 3;'s, 4;', or 5's have to compete against 
all the states in whatever # they're in, because someone decided 

it was RAC sections.  Until someone at ARRL mans up to get with the times I 
think we'll be long covered in dirt before these rules change. 

Do what I do and don't participate in SS, ARRL 160 and the CQP (though I am 
not sure if  CQP affects you or not) 


I won't be on this weekend.  I am sure (ahem) "MAR" will be well 


Mike VE9AA..proudly in NB..covered in snow. 



That's correct but under these rules, the VI is not DX and counts the same 

as a W/VE two-pointer.  Navassa which is certainly rare, especially on 160, 

is counted as KP2.  Desecheo KP5 is counted the same as KP4.  Sort of weird 

wouldn't you agree?  This is unfair when VP2V on 5 miles from KP2 is 

counted as DX.  Also, all the rare DXCC US entities in the Pacific like 

NMI, Wake, American Samoa, and Guam all count for Hawaii. The ARRL is set 

in their ways and claims the 160-meter contest is supposed to be like SS 

for 160.  They only add DX contacts when ARRL President W0DX and VP2VI 

demanded he should not be excluded from operating in a contest he 

envisioned in the first place. The bottom line is that the statins in the 

U.S. Territories cannot be competitive and are seriously discriminated 

against by the Contest Committee who refuses to visit this issue.  I 

challenge you to look up the results over the past two decades.  Stations 

in the U.S Territories are never even mentioned no matter how well they 

have done in the ARRL 160 contest. 


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ 


Mike, Coreen & Corey 

Keswick Ridge, NB 


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