Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise

Thu Aug 1 14:43:18 EDT 2019

I didn't realize we were talking specifically about 160 meter DXCC listings (though this IS the Topband reflector, hi hi). 

Still, to get the countries that it takes to get high up on the 160 meter DXCC list will take a serious station and a lot of skill (of a different sort than CW, but skill nonetheless) even if one is using FT8. I don't really think we have to worry about dudes operating 160 meters with 100w and a Butternut vertical using FT8 to show up on 160m DXCC Honor Roll...

73, K3OX

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb at gmail.com>
To: kolson at rcn.com
Cc: FZ Bruce <k1fz at twc.com>, Andrzej_SP6AEG <andrzej_aeg at interia.pl>, uy0zg <uy0zg at mksat.net>, topband at contesting.com
Sent: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 09:56:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise

Here’s where the DXCC standings are listed
http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings
Can you please show me where 160M CW is?
 73 Mark K3MSB

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 9:35 AM <kolson at rcn.com> wrote:
It already has them. Mixed is mixed (all modes including FT8, RTTY, SSB, AM, CW, etc), CW is CW, Phone is AM, SSB and FM, Digital is all digital machine modes (RTTY, FT8/4, JT65 etc). 

So if you are offended that DXCC is being "degraded" by FT8 contacts, just look/compare at the CW and SSB mode results only.

Problem solved!

73, Kevin K3OX  

----- Original Message -----

From: FZ Bruce <k1fz at twc.com>

To: 'uy0zg' <uy0zg at mksat.net>

Cc: 'Andrzej_SP6AEG' <andrzej_aeg at interia.pl>, 'topband at contesting.com' <topband at contesting.com>

Sent: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise

Yes the ARRL needs to step up.

Years ago there were foot races, then after the invention of the

bicycle races between them were common. After the automobile was

invented they raced. No one seriously thought of foot racing

(competing) against a bicycle or automobile.

ARRL DXCC competition bands need sub categories.

73

Bruce-K1FZ

        -----------------------------------------From: "uy0zg" 

To: "Andrzej_SP6AEG"

Cc: topband at contesting.com

Sent: Thursday August 1 2019 8:53:37AM

Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise

Hi Andy Hi All

 Absolutely simple and correct.

 Why don't ARRL leaders understand this?

 It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the

 results of a human operator.

 For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC.

 ---

 Nick, UY0ZG

 http://www.topband.in.ua [1]

 Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20:

 > In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the 

 > competitors of

 > DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short 

 > wavelengths,

 > expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic

emission 

 > and

 > this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of

FT8 

 > should

 > be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW,

SSB 

 > and

 > digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses

the 

 > value

 > of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about

receiving

 > antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end.

 > 

 > Andy

 > SP6AEG

 > ==========================================

 > 

 > -----Original Message-----

 > From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 

 > uy0zg

 > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM

 > To: Peter Sundberg

 > Cc: daraymond at iowatelecom.net; k1zm at aol.com; topband at contesting.com

 > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise

 > 

 > Hi Topbanders !

 > 

 > 

 > Everything is easy to fix.

 > 

 > There should be a strict separation of achievements -

 > 

 > 1. They are made only by man.

 > 

 > 2. They are made only on the computer.

 > 

 > 

 > Delete Mixed Achievement Chart :

 > 

 > http://www.topband.in.ua [2]

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31:

 >> If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency

passband

 >> and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of

interesting

 >> things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at

least

 >> every hour that we are not asleep.

 >> 

 >> However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while

 >> working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC

and

 >> watch things happen :-)

 >> 

 >> Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not

just

 >> listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up

almost

 >> any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling

CQ

 >> for a while.

 >> 

 >> CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King!

 >> 

 >> 73

 >> Peter SM2CEW

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 /> > uto,-12,848

 > 

 > And then FT8 (and many future FTs ....) will lose popularity.

 > 

 > Only children will play with them ...

 > 

 > 

 > ---

 > Nick, UY0ZG

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