Topband: 160

[Mark K3MSB]

>>Can't we get along?

I doubt I'd like to get along the way you want us to get along,  by
suppressing discussion because you don't like it.   You want tolerance
based upon indifference, and that's wrong.

I would posit that most people on this reflector have a passion for 160M or
else they wouldn't be here.   Just because you don't like someone elses
opinion of a topic does not mean it should not be discussed.    By virtue
of the fact that this topic comes up periodically points to the fact that
there is deep concern and non-aligned opinions on it and it's smoldering
under the surface..    As long as it's discussed in a civil manner,  it's
fair game.

Why don't the people that don't want healthy discourse just delete the
respective emails, or unsubscribe from the group?    It's just that easy.

If my opinion offends anyone,  that's too bad.   Nobody has the right not
to be offended.

“Cheating” is a strong word.    But to address it, just because someone
cheats on mode A does not mean we ignore cheating on mode B;  it should be
addressed on both.

FT-8 is another disruptive technology that is here to stay,  and one where
our alleged “national organization” has failed to provide guidance on it's
impact on the competitive aspects of Amateur Radio.    Like someone else so
aptly put,  you don't have a race between a person on foot and a race car.
That summed up this entire issue eloquently and sufficiently.

Mark K3MSB

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 11:24 AM W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:

> Cheating is cheating.  How many people used remote stations, exceeded
> their power limits, etc.   Singling out a mode because you are upset
> that it has taken away activity in your  preferred mode is not helpful
> to the hobby.    Not everyone that use FT8 cheats.  Not everyone that
> uses a amp that exceeds their legal limit uses it in that fashion.
>
> How can you guarantee that everyone on the "Honor Role" was 100 percent
> honorable or even anyone that got DXCC did it right?  You can't so
> please stop singling out a mode you don't care for.  We get it.  Move
> on.  It is here.  Just like the Reverse beacon, packet cluster, etc.
>
> We are all hams enjoying many aspects of the hobby.  Can't we get along?
>
> W0MU
>
> On 8/2/2019 3:03 AM, Ross Johnson wrote:
> > To Carl , my computer is not cleaver enough to work 60 countries FT8
> > on its own.
> > I have to check grey line, put many hours in on band, check
> > DXpeditions  ETC
> > Don’t forget hardware and radio gear.
> >
> > To Nick and George. K1JT has put out a list identifying call signs
> > they believe  are using automated stations, you cant tell me others
> > have not cheated. There was callsigns mentioned on these pages recently.
> >
> > To problem solver Kevin K3OX ,you  have helped some here by pointing
> > out Mix DXCC is not CW  DXCC or SSB DXCC
> >
> > Well done
> >
> > 73  Ross   ZL3RJ
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