Topband: 160

Sat Aug 3 14:49:51 EDT 2019

Gentlemen,

stop this annoying practice, please! Not all are ARRL members!

Thanks for understanding,

73
Martin, OK1RR

Dne 03. 08. 19 v 20:20 donovanf at starpower.net napsal(a):
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> The "how to" article is right here:
> 
> 
> http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/63144
> 
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Robert Brennan via Topband" <topband at contesting.com>
> To: "Cecil" <chacuff at cableone.net>
> Cc: "rich k7zv" <rich_k7zv at gphilltop.com>, "Harald Rester" <harryrester at gmx.de>, "Alan Swinger" <awswinger at earthlink.net>, topband at contesting.com
> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:00:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: 160
> 
> Gentleman,
> I have been using ft8 now for a little over a year now and have been relatively successful with it.
> I also use CW and SSB.
> If I can set up my station on ft8 and have it run automatically and collect new entities.
> I would really like to know how to do that.
> Perhaps one of you can write an article for QST.
> 
> 73 Bob ad6hf
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Cecil <chacuff at cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>>
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Alan Swinger <awswinger at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> . Since FT8 operators can walk away and not participate in QSOs, and come back after some other activity and see how many new countries and QSOs that the computer made, this is unlike Digital modes where operators must remain engaged to make QSOs. Therefore, seems to me that such Computer-generated contacts should have a separate category in the current award systems since the operators are not directly involved in making the QSOs . . . call it Computer-Aided Digital or something more clever. No argument that skill is required to set up a station to make FT-8 contacts, but a different set than what those of us who work DXCC, Challenge, etc use on CW, RTTY, and SSB, including those towers, expensive equipment, skills, and years of hard work to get the new ones when there was NO FT-8 or similar modes!
>>> So, I do not be begrudge the new low signal computer-aided modes, nor do I cast aspersions on the Ops who enjoy using them . . . even though I am unlikely to join their ranks, but the Ham community should not penalize those of us who used non-FT modes to get our hard earned awards by giving an unfair advantage to a new technology. We (Ham Radio) need the New Technology, but these modes are sufficiently different in many ways from the older modes that justifies a separate category in the award spectrum. Therefore, I urge the ARRL and the CQ Magazine leadership to establish a Digital award category that is separate and different from the current DXCC et al Digital criteria.
>>> Alan Swinger K9MBQ
>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rich_k7zv at gphilltop.com
>>>> Sent: Aug 2, 2019 4:22 PM
>>>> To: Harald Rester <harryrester at gmx.de>
>>>> Cc: topband at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Topband: 160
>>>>
>>>> As ham radio changes there will remain at least a niche for CW, SSB, and
>>>> RTTY and it's competitions. FT8 will supplement the bands , not supplant
>>>> it, IMO. Do you think FT8, FT4 and whatever digital modes come along are
>>>> the future or will something else take its place? Who knows... time and
>>>> technology moves on. Maybe it might attract some of the Millennials to
>>>> fill in the void by us Baby Boomers who will all too soon be making.
>>>> Let's set a good example for them to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Rich K7ZV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-08-02 12:42 pm, Harald Rester wrote:
>>>>> Think about the time *we all *could have been on the air, while staring
>>>>> at our screens, typing and reading. I make QSY to the shack - Hpe CU!
>>>>>
>>>>> Harry, DH1NBE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 02.08.2019 um 21:26 schrieb uy0zg:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not propose stopping the FT8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just compete with each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But keep in mind - Arnold will be the first -)):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.alamy.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-terminator-2-judgment-day-1991-image66516208.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Nick, UY0ZG
>>>>>> http://www.topband.in.ua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 21:52:
>>>>>>> Ah so all FT8 users are cheaters. Does that mean that all Russian
>>>>>>> hams use way more power than they should and their scores should not
>>>>>>> count either?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The real issue here is change. Ham radio has been in constant motion
>>>>>>> and change since it started and I hope in continues that way well
>>>>>>> after we are dead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So we better stop FT8 and protect VE1ZZ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2019 12:45 PM, uy0zg wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello, Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is how the world works so that humanity always has moral
>>>>>>>> values.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They must be protected.
>>>>>>>> Example:
>>>>>>>> in a few years, 334 VE1ZZ countries will lose their value. His
>>>>>>>> achievements will be eaten by computer programs and robots ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is right ?
>>>>>>>> Will there be many talents at 160 meters like Jack?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will not be !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the contrary - more and more stupidity and envy....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Nick, UY0ZG
>>>>>>>> http://www.topband.in.ua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 18:24:
>>>>>>>>> Cheating is cheating. How many people used remote stations,
>>>>>>>>> exceeded
>>>>>>>>> their power limits, etc. Singling out a mode because you are
>>>>>>>>> upset
>>>>>>>>> that it has taken away activity in your preferred mode is not
>>>>>>>>> helpful
>>>>>>>>> to the hobby. Not everyone that use FT8 cheats. Not everyone
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> uses a amp that exceeds their legal limit uses it in that fashion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How can you guarantee that everyone on the "Honor Role" was 100
>>>>>>>>> percent honorable or even anyone that got DXCC did it right? You
>>>>>>>>> can't so please stop singling out a mode you don't care for. We
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> it. Move on. It is here. Just like the Reverse beacon, packet
>>>>>>>>> cluster, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are all hams enjoying many aspects of the hobby. Can't we get
>>>>>>>>> along?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> W0MU
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