Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

[Grant Saviers]

ZL3IX I think by accident had a fence with a break in it.  My not 
working Beverage was 4'up over a continuous welded wire fence.  Then 
some NEC2 modeling of a 600' Beverage 6' above a continuous 3 wire 
(wires at 2,3, & 4') barb wire fence, showed poor F/B. Mine was worse 
over the welded 6"x 6" mesh fence (it's been a while but I recall none). 
  Some NEC2 modeling (just re-confirmed with NEC4) showed that breaking 
the fence into three 200 ft insulated sections, for the length of the 
Beverage solved the problem.  More fence continuing off the ends didn't 
matter. I didn't build it before I moved.

Having seen a good selection of barb wire fences, many probably don't 
have electrical continuity, including many of mine.  Since there seems 
to be wide agreement and sound engineering reasons that Beverages don't 
work over high conductivity ground, so I trust that modeling.

Regarding NEC not working near the the ground, the EZNEC manual claims 
NEC2 is ok within a few wire diameters.  Neither NEC2 or 4 will work 
really close to or with any part of the wire in the ground plane.

N6LF did some very nice work confirming how NEC4 was accurate for buried 
wires with some very good experimental data.  He includes some comments 
about ground variability.
https://rudys.typepad.com/files/qexjul-aug-2016-bog.pdf

Re MikeK's adventure with loading inductor permeability made variable 
with DC current bias of the B-H curve, I think it's an interesting idea. 
I suspected he was trying to do that and hope he finds a way to make it 
work.

Grant KZ1W

On 8/24/2019 10:52 AM, Mike Waters wrote:
> As long as the fence is pointed in the right direction. :-)
> 
> www.w0btu.com/Beverage_antennas.html#Misc_Beverage_antenna_notes
> 
> On this page, there are some links to ZL3IX (?) experiences with his
> Beverages mounted at different heights above metal fences.
> 
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
> 
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:47 PM Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> And, by the way, K5GN and W5KU report that their Beverage above a barbed
>> wire fence is the BEST Beverage at their place.
>>
>> Chuck W5PR
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to remember someone saying the modelling programs are unreliable
>>> when a wire is close to the ground. Also, there is really no way to model
>>> the properties of "ground." It can vary in just a few feet and the moisture
>>> content varies from day to day. I think this is a "try it" kind of antenna.
>>> Read other's reported results.
>>>
>>> Chuck W5PR
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 12:29 PM Mike Waters <mikewate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only way to predict the RDF and pattern is by modeling it. I don't
>>>> know
>>>> of anyone who has done this. I have a few of my .ez Beverage models in
>>>> w0btu.com/files/ as a starting point, but I don't think that I uploaded
>>>> everything there.
>>>>
>>>> There are free antenna modeling programs out there. I have only ever used
>>>> EZNEC. Maybe someone can suggest something.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Mike
>>>> www.w0btu.com
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:05 PM Mikek <amdx at knology.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> But what did you mean by "proper pattern"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have said, the best pattern that adjusting the Inductive loads
>>>>> will provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I understand the pattern changes with frequency. What I want to
>>>> do is
>>>>> inductively load the antenna, so it will have the same pattern as if we
>>>>> increased the length.
>>>>>
>>>>> Say I have a BOG with a length that is ideal to give me the best RDF
>>>>> number available at say 1.8Mhz.
>>>>>    Now, I move down to 1MHz, and I inductively load it, can I get that
>>>> same
>>>>> RDF number?
>>>>> ie. can I reduce the VF to make it act like the correct length?
>>>>>    What are the caveats?
>>>>>
>>>>>                                     Thanks,  Mikek
>>>>>
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