Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 203, Issue 22

[Ross Johnson]

Well to even admit you have installed WSJT in you computer , use it to 
work H40TT
then stab FT8 in the back is some hypercritical me thinks !!
"I"  also worked said station FT8 and tried cw.

Ross   ZL3RJ   ( from small sized section ( lot )  at the other end of 
our world.

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>    1. Re: H40TT on 160 (ws6x.ars at gmail.com)
>    2. Saturday Night (Roger Kennedy)
>    3. AS / EU QRM - The Cocktail Party Effect (Fred Kleber)
>    4. Re: Saturday Night (g3nkc)
>    5. OFF TOPIC: AMP NEEDS RIDE FROM DFW TO FL (Artek Manuals)
>    6. VU2 on top band (K9FD)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:09:14 -0500
>From: <ws6x.ars at gmail.com>
>To: <topband at contesting.com>
>Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160
>Message-ID: <000701d5a391$89ee7830$9dcb6890$@gmail.com>
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>Message: 18
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>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 05:42:54 -0700
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>From: Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
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>Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
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>Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.? Haven't figured out whether
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>it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8.
>
>Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before
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>deciding to come into the office and check my email.
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>I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 with
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>a -15 signal report.
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>>>>>
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>Wes,
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>Can you check your playback text files to see if "I" worked him around 12:20? ?
>
>Jim - WS6X
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:49:45 -0000
>From: "Roger Kennedy" <roger at wessexproductions.co.uk>
>To: <topband at contesting.com>
>Subject: Topband: Saturday Night
>Message-ID: <363FF314EB97442E815929CBD8FC99E2 at Packard>
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>I too came on for a couple of hours on 160m during the CQ WW . . .
>
>Top Band wasn't at all noisy here in Europe, although conditions weren't
>nearly as good as during the week - most signals were about 15dB down.
>
>I worked everyone I could hear (about 20 NA stations, and a couple of
>Caribbeans) . . . but as Dave G3NKC posted, the problem is that there are
>dozens of very strong Europeans on the band (some S9 +40dB with me!), so
>picking out the weak DX signals in-between can be hard work, even with good
>filters ! (especially as they weren't as strong as normal)
>
>That's the problem with Top Band, even compared to 80m, there's no Skip, so
>you hear everyone on the band ! (on 80m even other Gs can sometimes be quite
>weak . . . but that never happens on 160m)
>
>Actually I heard several other NA stations . . . including K1WHS . . . but
>they were calling EU stations, so I couldn't call them. If they had called
>CQ I'm sure I could have worked them.  (I didn't want to put out a CQ call
>myself, as I would have had hundreds of EU stations calling me! Do you think
>you can call CQ DX during a Contest?!))
>
>Roger G3YRO
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:08:56 +0000 (UTC)
>From: Fred Kleber <kleberf at bellsouth.net>
>To: "topband at contesting.com" <topband at contesting.com>
>Subject: Topband: AS / EU QRM - The Cocktail Party Effect
>Message-ID: <1662634032.6197937.1574694536146 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>Hi Top Banders,
>Having operated from the other end on a number of continents, I offer the following explanations of why NA hams may wonder why they can't work distant stations:?
>SE Asia - The amount of non-ham QRM in the ham bands is unbelievable.? Most notable are the Indonesian (and probably other countries) fisherman who populate wide swaths of spectrum and have little to no regard for spectrum allocations.? They just go buy a cheap ham rig, make it general coverage, and off they go.? Additionally the beacons on fishing nets can also create quite a racket.? Oh yes, the commercial power suppliers in poorer countries most likely don't even care about repairing line nose.? One other challenge is the echo from NA stations which is frequently present on the low bands.? Pileups particularly exacerbate this phenomenon.??
>Europe - Here's the cocktail party analogy.? When a cocktail party starts, a few people come in the door, grab a drink and start talking to each other.? As more people join the party, the room fills up and the ambient noise (QRM) rises.? In order to be communicate, guests talk louder.? More people join the party and the audible QRM noise floor rises.? In the radio world parallel, equate guest's speech with RF and talking louder with running more power.? Then consider that many countries don't effectively regulate TX power output, and you have a real mess.? Most north american's can't understand when I tell them that if you're not at least S-9 on 80-20 meters, you're most likely not going to be heard.??
>I hope you find this information useful.
>73 & good DX,Fred, NP2X / K9VV et al.
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>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:17:57 +0000
>From: g3nkc <g3nkc at yahoo.co.uk>
>To: Roger Kennedy <roger at wessexproductions.co.uk>,
>	topband at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: Saturday Night
>Message-ID: <mailman.26.1574701204.7362.topband at contesting.com>
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>Just waiting for my flight back From GD.Whenever I ran, we had immense pile ups, seems that there is less discipline each year.??It can be frustrating in EU for us too? , I am betting some dx would have called me? , but wouldn't have got through the wall.I did work FY5, CX6, KP2, KP3,? JT5, PJ4, V47, and all US zones.Couldn't raise HI3CC, C6AGU, or ZW5BI think 160 was in good shape.?73 Dave G3NKC? / MD4K?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>-------- Original message --------From: Roger Kennedy <roger at wessexproductions.co.uk> Date: 25/11/2019  14:49  (GMT+00:00) To: topband at contesting.com Subject: Topband: Saturday Night I too came on for a couple of hours on 160m during the CQ WW . . .Top Band wasn't at all noisy here in Europe, although conditions weren'tnearly as good as during the week - most signals were about 15dB down.I worked everyone I could hear (about 20 NA stations, and a couple ofCaribbeans) . . . but as Dave G3NKC posted, the problem is that there aredozens of very strong Europeans on the band (some S9 +40dB with me!), sopicking out the weak DX signals in-between can be hard work, even with goodfilters ! (especially as they weren't as strong as normal)That's the problem with Top Band, even compared to 80m, there's no Skip, soyou hear everyone on the band ! (on 80m even other Gs can sometimes be quiteweak . . . but that never happens on 160m)Actually I heard several other NA stations . . . including K1WHS .
>  . . butthey were calling EU stations, so I couldn't call them. If they had calledCQ I'm sure I could have worked them.? (I didn't want to put out a CQ callmyself, as I would have had hundreds of EU stations calling me! Do you thinkyou can call CQ DX during a Contest?!))Roger G3YRO_________________Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:41:41 -0500
>From: Artek Manuals <Manuals at ArtekManuals.com>
>To: topband at contesting.com
>Subject: Topband: OFF TOPIC: AMP NEEDS RIDE FROM DFW TO FL
>Message-ID: <413c64c1-38e0-436a-e297-63edf1e14cbc at ArtekManuals.com>
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>Apologies in advance for off topic post
>
>If there is anyone on the list in the DFW area that is DRIVING to
>FLORIDA between now and the end of the year? ? I have an 80 lb amplifier
>( Alpha 9500) that needs a ride. Would obviously much rather it make the
>trip in someone's trunk than pay the gorillas at the various shipping
>services to drop test? it several times.
>
>We will have the unit delivered to your house and we will meet you on
>this end preferably in the Tampa/Orlando area but other spots in Florida
>are workable. beggars cant be too choosy. We will gladly pay your gas
>bill as a return for the favor
>
>I suppose anyone driving round trip from Tampa/Orlando to DFW for the
>holidays would also work, bringing the amp back on your return?
>
>Contact me OFF LIST PLEASE
>
>Dave
>NR1DX
>nr1dx at arrl.net
>manuals at artekmanuals.com
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>
>
>--
>Dave
>Manuals at ArtekManuals.com
>www.ArtekManuals.com
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>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 06:56:58 -1000
>From: K9FD <merv.k9fd at gmail.com>
>To: topband at contesting.com
>Subject: Topband: VU2 on top band
>Message-ID: <5bf4af11-6e18-493b-e9ec-76d3e7438341 at gmail.com>
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>I have worked VU on top band just before their rules changed and they were
>not allowed to use freq around 1840,?? today I worked VU2 on top band again
>and he was on 1840.?? I wonder if any one knows if the rules have changed
>again and they are allowed to use those freqs.
>
>One thing I notice "that" mode is good for is watching for peaks and
>nulls in
>received signals,?? I hear a lot of folks saying they are not seeing
>sunrise and
>sunset peaks,?? I see them as I have for the past 50 plus years of
>operating top band.
>I watched today as the VU2 went from -20 at 1634Z to -13 at 1650Z, my
>sunrise is 1646Z,? so there was a definite peak at my sunrise as there
>normally is.?? I also have a peak about an hour before sunrise normally,
>Sunset is the same,? signals peak at sunset and again an hour after.
>
>I was hoping to catch 5H3 on top band for one of the two last zones for
>WAZ from this QTH.?? But heard or saw nothing of him.?? I think I have a
>shot if he would hang around until my sunrise.?? But not to be.
>
>73 Merv K9FD? Molokai Island Hawaii.
>
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