Topband: Beverage performance VS term resistor

K4SAV RadioXX at charter.net
Fri Jan 24 10:00:03 EST 2020


In EZNEC the RDF number is the difference between the average gain and 
the gain at the elevation angle you select.  W8JI uses 20 degrees as the 
reference and some other systems use a slightly different angle.  You 
have to run a 3 dimensional plot and the average gain number will appear 
at the bottom of the main page.

Jerry, K4SAV


On 1/24/2020 8:43 AM, Artek Manuals wrote:
> Thanks...I did not know that. I am running Eznec+ 6.0 here which is 
> based on a version of NEC2 but the GUI doesn't address RDF ( will have 
> to give Lewellyn a poke about that 8^)
>
> Dave
> NR1DX
>
> On 1/24/2020 9:25 AM, Don Kirk wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I use 4nec2 which is free, and it provides direct readout of the RDF 
>> value.
>>
>> Don (wd8dsb)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM Artek Manuals 
>> <Manuals at artekmanuals.com <mailto:Manuals at artekmanuals.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> I am curious, what antenna modeling program are you using that gives
>> direct readout in RDF? Or are you� "estimating"� it from the antenna
>> graphical pattern?
>>
>> Dave
>> NR1DX
>> >> The recent experiments with my Beverages in the cold weather
>> has raised some comments about the termination resistor and the
>> antenna performance.� I received a few emails asking about F/B. I
>> made the comment that it really is'nt worth the effort trying to
>> get the termination value exact. Close is good enough.
>> >>
>> >> Changing the termination resistor value has only a limited
>> effect on the RDF of the antenna.� The F/B can change some what,
>> but the zenith and side rejection is mostly preserved independent
>> of the termination value.
>> >> This is well described by John in the the Lowband DXing book.
>> (5th edition, pg 7-64 �conclusions�)
>> >>
>> >> Today I did some modelling on a 920� wire.� RDF with a 500 Ohm
>> term is 11.7 dB, with 200 Ohm term it is 11.3 dB, and with 800 Ohm
>> term it is 11.4 dB.� So only about .4 dB of RDF change with a very
>> significant (+/- 300 Ohm) resistor change.� Looking at the azimuth
>> and Zenith plots, the front-to-side remains mostly unchanged while
>> rear lobes develop that diminish the F/B.� However, unless there
>> is a specific noise, or QRM problem from the back of the
>> Beverages, this will likely go un-noticed.� The important
>> parameter is RDF�.the rejection of noise in the full 3D hemisphere
>> compared to the max forward gain.
>> >>
>> >> In fact, I modelled no termination (by inserting 1 e6 Ohms as a
>> term resistor) and the RDF of the bi-directional Beverage is still
>> 9.7 dB. (almost zero F/B) This is pretty decent, and is better
>> than many other small loop antennas and smaller arrays.� The
>> azimuth pattern still shows significant side and zenith rejection
>> which is why the RDF calculates so well.� This is perhaps why many
>> ops have had good success with bi-directional Beverages.
>> >>
>> >> If you are unfamiliar with what the RDF metric, Greg has a good
>> explanation here:
>> http://www.seed-solutions.com/gregordy/Amateur%20Radio/Experimentation/RDFMetric.htm 
>>
>> <http://www.seed-solutions.com/gregordy/Amateur%20Radio/Experimentation/RDFMetric.htm> 
>>
>> >>
>> >> 73, de steve ve6wz
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> -- Dave
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