Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 224, Issue 2 telephone military wd-1
Kevin Adam
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Tue Aug 3 20:25:09 EDT 2021
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1. Materials for Beverages? (Drew Vonada-Smith)
2. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Lee STRAHAN)
3. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Tim Duffy)
4. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Gene Smar)
5. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Grant Saviers)
6. Re: Materials for Beverages? (List Mail)
7. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Tim Duffy)
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:01:41 +0000
From: Drew Vonada-Smith <drew at whisperingwoods.org>
To: "topband at contesting.com" <topband at contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
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Gene,
I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything better.
FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
73,
Drew K3PA
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
From: Gene Smar <ersmar at verizon.net>
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
ITY-Z Standard..." and more
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FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
73 de
Gene Smar? AD3F
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:50:46 +0000
From: Lee STRAHAN <k7tjr at msn.com>
To: Drew Vonada-Smith <drew at whisperingwoods.org>,
"topband at contesting.com" <topband at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
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Drew,
A simple search for "humming bird deaths due to colored fence insulators" brought hundreds of hits including university studies.
All of these reference this in electric fence use however in my mind it is certainly possible a Beverage could have considerable voltage on it due to a close transmitting antenna.
My choice is an abundance of caution.
Home depot lists a plethora of types of "Black electric fence insulators" among many other listings including the Zareba name in the original post.
Lee K7TJR OR
Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Gene,
I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything better.
FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
73,
Drew K3PA
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- Topband Reflector
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:16:04 -0400
From: "Tim Duffy" <k3lr at k3lr.com>
To: "'Drew Vonada-Smith'" <drew at whisperingwoods.org>,
<topband at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
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Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
73
Tim K3LR
-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Gene,
I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
better.
FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
73,
Drew K3PA
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Toda
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
From: Gene Smar <ersmar at verizon.net>
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
ITY-Z Standard..." and more
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FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
73 de
Gene Smar? AD3F
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:32:20 -0400
From: Gene Smar <ersmar at verizon.net>
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <200e6573-5821-3c67-9708-97fe74b5745b at verizon.net>
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All:
???? I know nothing about these materials beyond what the links show.?
I merely forwarded to the group what I believed to be a helpful email
from Amazon.? Caveat Amateur.
73 de
Gene Smar? AD3F
On 8/3/2021 2:16 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar at verizon.net>
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
>
>
> Hello Gene Smar,
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:46:41 -0700
From: Grant Saviers <grants2 at pacbell.net>
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <e8603111-6ef4-d09f-d7b3-c94e2f1a8b04 at pacbell.net>
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N7QT & I verified that black ring screw-in insulators are too conductive
for one or two transmit radials on 160m. Lot's of arcs and smoke. I
now use the yellow 4" long barb wire insulators screwed to trees to
support 160m elevated Tx radials.
Black may not be a problem with Beverage field strengths.
Grant KZ1W
On 8/3/2021 11:16, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar at verizon.net>
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:17:39 +1000
From: List Mail <mail10 at barefoothorse.com.au>
To: "topband at contesting.com" <topband at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <7b5768$qgur at vesa02.kjsl.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I use the black screw-in plastic insulators for Beverage wire supports on poles, and ceramic strain insulators for the wire ends. The high voltages likely on the ends of elevated radials of transmitting antennas do not trouble the ceramic electric fence strain insulators. For my two-wire Beverages, I use a long coach screw through two ceramic barrel insulators where I use a tree for an intermediate support. This maintains the spacing, about 1.5?. I secure the wires with a bit of tie wire, not too tight, to allow the wires to slide when the tree moves.
My local hardware/farm supply store is the source for most of my wire antenna stuff. It?s very convenient.
73, Luke VK3HJ
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Grant Saviers
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2021 8:46 AM
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
N7QT & I verified that black ring screw-in insulators are too conductive
for one or two transmit radials on 160m. Lot's of arcs and smoke. I
now use the yellow 4" long barb wire insulators screwed to trees to
support 160m elevated Tx radials.
Black may not be a problem with Beverage field strengths.
Grant KZ1W
On 8/3/2021 11:16, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar at verizon.net>
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 20:20:16 -0400
From: "Tim Duffy" <k3lr at k3lr.com>
To: "'Grant Saviers'" <grants2 at pacbell.net>, <topband at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <02c701d788c6$808ceb20$81a6c160$@k3lr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Grant
The issue with some black insulators - with RX antennas they might not go up
in smoke, however they are still not a good insulator at RF - even for RX
antennas.
When coloring black - no carbon should be used - those can be a good
insulator.
I have been "burned" by black in the past.
Why take the chance?
73
Tim K3LR
-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Grant Saviers
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 6:47 PM
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
N7QT & I verified that black ring screw-in insulators are too conductive
for one or two transmit radials on 160m. Lot's of arcs and smoke. I
now use the yellow 4" long barb wire insulators screwed to trees to
support 160m elevated Tx radials.
Black may not be a problem with Beverage field strengths.
Grant KZ1W
On 8/3/2021 11:16, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They
do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year,
which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link
to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar at verizon.net>
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
>
>
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>
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