Topband: Region One stations below 1810 kHz

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

Just my .02 on this one.

The reader and especially the contest organizer not required to even
consider my opinion.

In a way it's like the ARRL's DX window in the ARRL160 used to be. It
was kept in there for years past its usefulness, especially since in all of
the later ARRL160's, the vast, vast majority of EU DX called CQ elsewhere
than 30-35, even when 30-35 was fairly clear.

It has been decades since there has been a radio location signal in
1.8-1.81. Loran has been gone for a LONG time.

What the political antics were at the World Radioalloction Conference
(WRC), I have no idea, but for some reason someone with some favors to pull
didn't want to let go of it. Maybe leftover cold war stuff, who knows. It
IS clear that quite a few, if not most, countries in Region 1 don't give a
hoot.

I would agree with an earlier post, that knowing what the COUNTRIES enforce
would be the only binding issue. And I don't see how to dump that on a
contest sponsor. You would be in effect trying to have the contest sponsor
impose enforcement of a WRC rule preserving a LORAN allocation for some
obscure political bartering situation.

For THIS PARTICULAR rule, I would say leave it to the operators and ignore
it. If there really was any region 1 stuff going on 1.8-1.81, that would be
quite the different story. The countries are the enforcing agencies, not
the conference. If a COUNTRY sees it for what it really is and refuses to
enforce, that is not my business.

Otherwise we have put the contest organizers in the position of being a
pawn for some country who won't let go of 1800-1810 unless they get some
certain something in exchange. Some NATO vs. Russia thing? Nobody seems to
know, enforcing the perception that this is some back closet, under the
table thing that no one but the 160m hams care about. If there is actually
more to that story, I'd love to hear it.

Let it go and leave published contest rules as they are. Someone tries to
pin down a contest sponsor, the answer is "no comment". Sponsoring a
contest is already an unreal amount of VOLUNTEER work.

73, Guy K2AV


On Sat, Dec 25, 2021 at 5:33 AM Henk Remijn PA5KT via Topband <
topband at contesting.com> wrote:

> In region 1 the frequency 1800-1810 is still allocated to Radiolocation,
> not to Amateur.
>
> However it is always possible that individual countries create different
> allocations.
>
> Similar to the upper frequency.
>
> 1810-1850 is primary Amateur.
>
> 1850-2000 is secondary Amateur.
>
> Some countries allow the complete allocation, some have restrictions.
> And some even have restrictions with individual exceptions.
>
> It is impossible for contests organizers to keep up with all those
> restrictions and exceptions.
>
> 73 Henk
>
> Op 25-12-2021 om 07:49 schreef uy0zg:
> > Hey
> >
> > Everything can be solved simply.
> >
> > To approve the rules for the whole World ( only for contest) - it is
> > impossible to work until 1810. It will be fair.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Nick, UY0ZG
> > http://www.topband.in.ua
> >
> > Tree писал 2021-12-25 02:37:
> >> All -
> >>
> >> A friend of mine alerted me to the fact that he heard a QSO take place
> >> between someone in the USA and Europe below 1810 during the Stew.  I
> >> did a
> >> little research and verified that this QSO did take place - around 1805
> >> kHz.  However, the European reported the QSO on 1810 kHz.
> >>
> >> During this investigation, I have found more of these QSOs - including
> >> about two dozen with one station who was on 1808.9 kHz (per RBN).
> >>
> >> Perhaps the rules have changed recently, and these frequencies are
> >> permitted for Region 1 stations?  I see all sorts of countries in the
> >> list
> >> I have generated so far.
> >>
> >> And if these are "illegal" contacts - what should be done about them?
> >>
> >> And if a Region 1 stations modified his log to change the frequency
> >> information to make it look legit - is that unsportsmanlike behavior?
> >>
> >> Tree N6TR
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