Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 230, Issue 9

Wed Feb 9 20:26:46 EST 2022

Dear Nikolay, UY0ZG !

Can you please stop shitting on your Ukranian colleagues at least in the international group ! Believe me — It’s not interesting to anyone here. Moreover — everybody @ Russian QRZ.ru Forums are so much tired of your trolling and whinning that you have been already banned by many moderators.  And now I see you've found a new loophole for your restless temper. Be aware that this resource was not created for those who have a desire and habit to keep throwing mud at everything like you, man! 
No matter whether you’re an experienced Topbander or just a starter  — you should respect another subscribers here. Just look what other people are writing about here. Better share your antenna experiments and TB DXing issues, achievements or any other TB related topics and you’ll be more than welcome!  

I wish you a «miraculous healing» from this fancy and bizarre style of communication, which you have repeatedly demonstrated to us on the pages of this thematic reflector

Best 73’s from friendly Russia !

Dima, UA3AGW 
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>   1. 8 Circle question (Jim Miller)
>   2. Re: 8 Circle question (w5zn at w5zn.org)
>   3. Re: 8 Circle question (Mike Fatchett)
>   4. Re: 8 Circle question (Jim Miller)
>   5. Re: 8 Circle question (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>   6. " LOW POWER " (Roger Kennedy)
>   7. Re: " LOW POWER " (uy0zg)
>   8. Re: " LOW POWER " (uy0zg)
>   9. " LOW POWER " (Roger Kennedy)
>  10. Re: " LOW POWER " (uy0zg)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:38:09 -0500
>From: Jim Miller < jim at jtmiller.com >
>To:  topband at contesting.com
>Subject: Topband: 8 Circle question
>Message-ID:
>< CACYeN9wdGsryOTuRAbJfKadL0FHrMAgYQN-6PwnagpjpCGqkvg at mail.gmail.com >
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>I'm looking at putting out an 8 circle but three of the antennas on the
>circumference may need to be seasonally placed since they would be on my
>neighbor's property.
>
>If those three were removed would the remaining 2 elements for each
>(opposite) direction left in place still produce a cardioid pattern if
>switched toward those directions? I'd terminate the removed lines with 75
>ohm terminations of course.
>
>I would leave the center element and the remaining 5 elements on the
>circumference in place year round to minimize seasonal work if needed.
>
>73
>
>Jim ab3cv
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 14:43:41 -0700
>From:  w5zn at w5zn.org
>To: Jim Miller < jim at jtmiller.com >
>Cc:  topband at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: 8 Circle question
>Message-ID: < ca7ae5067722b640e8c8ddfa07254155 at w5zn.org >
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>Jim,
>
>Which 8 circle version are you referring to?? The HiZ-8 or the Broad
>Side-End Fire (BSEF) 8 vertical array?
>
>The HiZ-8 uses all 8 verticals for each direction but the BSEF array
>only uses 4 verticals for each direction.
>
>73 Joel W5ZN
>
>
>On 2022-02-07 14:38, Jim Miller wrote:
>> I'm looking at putting out an 8 circle but three of the antennas on the
>> circumference may need to be seasonally placed since they would be on
>> my
>> neighbor's property.
>>
>> If those three were removed would the remaining 2 elements for each
>> (opposite) direction left in place still produce a cardioid pattern if
>> switched toward those directions? I'd terminate the removed lines with
>> 75
>> ohm terminations of course.
>>
>> I would leave the center element and the remaining 5 elements on the
>> circumference in place year round to minimize seasonal work if needed.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Jim ab3cv
>> _________________
>> Searchable Archives:  http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>> Reflector
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:45:17 -0700
>From: Mike Fatchett < w0mu at w0mu.com >
>To:  topband at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: 8 Circle question
>Message-ID: < d0642aed-1c87-662c-70bc-511011ab75fb at w0mu.com >
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>You might consider the 9 circle which uses 3 verticals for each
>direction.? It might be interesting to model that with missing elements
>in those directions but the other directions should work just fine.
>
>The 8 circle uses 2 pair of phased elements.? It is hard to speculate
>not know which elements would be missing.? It would seem to reason the
>the intact pairs would work fine.
>
>Most 8 circles do not have a center element.? That would be a 9.
>
>W0MU
>
>On 2/7/2022 2:38 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> I'm looking at putting out an 8 circle but three of the antennas on the
>> circumference may need to be seasonally placed since they would be on my
>> neighbor's property.
>>
>> If those three were removed would the remaining 2 elements for each
>> (opposite) direction left in place still produce a cardioid pattern if
>> switched toward those directions? I'd terminate the removed lines with 75
>> ohm terminations of course.
>>
>> I would leave the center element and the remaining 5 elements on the
>> circumference in place year round to minimize seasonal work if needed.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Jim ab3cv
>> _________________
>> Searchable Archives:  http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:45:39 -0500
>From: Jim Miller < jim at jtmiller.com >
>To:  w5zn at w5zn.org
>Cc:  topband at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: 8 Circle question
>Message-ID:
>< CACYeN9zj-dJaqEgYFKFMhty96SC7Uv=C9_bFieMiF-Mu2npMpg at mail.gmail.com >
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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>I was doing the YCCC version which uses 9 antennas to form a 3 element
>endfire in each direction.
>
>I'm obviously limited in space here...
>
>Thanks and sorry for the confusion
>
>jim ab3cv
>
>On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 4:43 PM < w5zn at w5zn.org > wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Which 8 circle version are you referring to?? The HiZ-8 or the Broad
>> Side-End Fire (BSEF) 8 vertical array?
>>
>> The HiZ-8 uses all 8 verticals for each direction but the BSEF array
>> only uses 4 verticals for each direction.
>>
>> 73 Joel W5ZN
>>
>>
>> On 2022-02-07 14:38, Jim Miller wrote:
>> > I'm looking at putting out an 8 circle but three of the antennas on the
>> > circumference may need to be seasonally placed since they would be on
>> > my
>> > neighbor's property.
>> >
>> > If those three were removed would the remaining 2 elements for each
>> > (opposite) direction left in place still produce a cardioid pattern if
>> > switched toward those directions? I'd terminate the removed lines with
>> > 75
>> > ohm terminations of course.
>> >
>> > I would leave the center element and the remaining 5 elements on the
>> > circumference in place year round to minimize seasonal work if needed.
>> >
>> > 73
>> >
>> > Jim ab3cv
>> > _________________
>> > Searchable Archives:  http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>> > Reflector
>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:54:15 -0500
>From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" < lists at subich.com >
>To: Jim Miller < jim at jtmiller.com >, "[Topband]"
>< topband at contesting.com >
>Subject: Re: Topband: 8 Circle question
>Message-ID: < 1a3a7521-cba6-bf73-27db-a2965415f7ec at subich.com >
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
>On 2022-02-07 4:45 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> > I was doing the YCCC version which uses 9 antennas to form a 3 element
> > endfire in each direction.
>
>The 9 circle (3 element endfire) uses approximately 1:2:1 element
>"drive". Removing one of the end elements will not yield a "clean"
>pattern but you would need to model both 0:2:1 and 1:2:0 arrays to
>see if the remnant pattern would be acceptable.
>
>73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>On 2022-02-07 4:45 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> I was doing the YCCC version which uses 9 antennas to form a 3 element
>> endfire in each direction.
>>
>> I'm obviously limited in space here...
>>
>> Thanks and sorry for the confusion
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 4:43 PM < w5zn at w5zn.org > wrote:
>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Which 8 circle version are you referring to?? The HiZ-8 or the Broad
>>> Side-End Fire (BSEF) 8 vertical array?
>>>
>>> The HiZ-8 uses all 8 verticals for each direction but the BSEF array
>>> only uses 4 verticals for each direction.
>>>
>>> 73 Joel W5ZN
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2022-02-07 14:38, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>> I'm looking at putting out an 8 circle but three of the antennas on the
>>>> circumference may need to be seasonally placed since they would be on
>>>> my
>>>> neighbor's property.
>>>>
>>>> If those three were removed would the remaining 2 elements for each
>>>> (opposite) direction left in place still produce a cardioid pattern if
>>>> switched toward those directions? I'd terminate the removed lines with
>>>> 75
>>>> ohm terminations of course.
>>>>
>>>> I would leave the center element and the remaining 5 elements on the
>>>> circumference in place year round to minimize seasonal work if needed.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> Jim ab3cv
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:45:32 -0000
>From: "Roger Kennedy" < roger at wessexproductions.co.uk >
>To: < topband at contesting.com >
>Subject: Topband: " LOW POWER "
>Message-ID: <2D0F563663244CC892DBC15664030A51 at Packard>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Nick I really don't understand what point you are trying to make . . .
>
>Why do you think running High Power in a Contest is "harmful"?
>
>Sure, you had more QSOs in the CQ160 this year (running Low Power) . . . but
>you would expect that, as you were operating for 7 more hours compared to
>last year !
>
>I agree that you don't need to run High Power to work around Europe . . .
>but if you want to work DX (such as W/VE) you really need to run high power
>in a Contest or most stations over there simply won't hear you ! (as
>demonstrated by the very few NA stations you worked)
>
>Roger G3YRO
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 07:48:54 +0200
>From: uy0zg < uy0zg at mksat.net >
>To: Roger Kennedy < roger at wessexproductions.co.uk >
>Cc: topband at contesting.com, Topband
>< topband-bounces+uy0zg=mksat.net at contesting.com >
>Subject: Re: Topband: " LOW POWER "
>Message-ID: < 8e307bc7e1126e8d8df2a6f5854629e6 at mksat.net >
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>Roger
>
>I probably don't know how to tell sad jokes.. :-))))
>
>I didn't work LoW in any of the contests.
>
>
>I think that for participants from Eastern European countries, only two
>categories should be left (SINGLE HIGH and MULTI HIGH).
>
>UW0K is not my callsign ..............
>
>
>---
>Nick, UY0ZG
>http://www.topband.in.ua
>
>Roger Kennedy ????? 2022-02-08 00:45:
>> Nick I really don't understand what point you are trying to make . . .
>>
>> Why do you think running High Power in a Contest is "harmful"?
>>
>> Sure, you had more QSOs in the CQ160 this year (running Low Power) . .
>> . but
>> you would expect that, as you were operating for 7 more hours compared
>> to
>> last year !
>>
>> I agree that you don't need to run High Power to work around Europe . .
>> .
>> but if you want to work DX (such as W/VE) you really need to run high
>> power
>> in a Contest or most stations over there simply won't hear you ! (as
>> demonstrated by the very few NA stations you worked)
>>
>> Roger G3YRO
>>
>> _________________
>> Searchable Archives:  http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>> Reflector
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 08:07:35 +0200
>From: uy0zg < uy0zg at mksat.net >
>To: Roger Kennedy < roger at wessexproductions.co.uk >
>Cc: topband at contesting.com, Topband
>< topband-bounces+uy0zg=mksat.net at contesting.com >
>Subject: Re: Topband: " LOW POWER "
>Message-ID: < e3746eae657b0d9867038d481df16d75 at mksat.net >
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>Roger
>
>
>another example of a "super" LOW performed by a fighter from the valiant
>US1Q brigade:
>
>Raw 2021 CQ WW CW Contest
>
>
>CW / UT2IV / Assisted Low 160 Meters
>1 UT2IV..............74,820
>
>And here's what the real HIGH looks like..... :
>
>CW / UY0ZG / Assisted High 160 Meters
>
>2 UY0ZG..............70,799
>
>3 UX0KR..............69,012
>
>---
>Nick, UY0ZG
>http://www.topband.in.ua
>
>uy0zg ????? 2022-02-08 07:48:
>> Roger
>>
>> I probably don't know how to tell sad jokes.. :-))))
>>
>> I didn't work LoW in any of the contests.
>>
>>
>> I think that for participants from Eastern European countries, only
>> two categories should be left (SINGLE HIGH and MULTI HIGH).
>>
>> UW0K is not my callsign ..............
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Nick, UY0ZG
>>  http://www.topband.in.ua
>>
>> Roger Kennedy ????? 2022-02-08 00:45:
>>> Nick I really don't understand what point you are trying to make . . .
>>>
>>> Why do you think running High Power in a Contest is "harmful"?
>>>
>>> Sure, you had more QSOs in the CQ160 this year (running Low Power) . .
>>> . but
>>> you would expect that, as you were operating for 7 more hours compared
>>> to
>>> last year !
>>>
>>> I agree that you don't need to run High Power to work around Europe .
>>> . .
>>> but if you want to work DX (such as W/VE) you really need to run high
>>> power
>>> in a Contest or most stations over there simply won't hear you ! (as
>>> demonstrated by the very few NA stations you worked)
>>>
>>> Roger G3YRO
>>>
>>> _________________
>>> Searchable Archives:  http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>>> Reflector
>> _________________
>> Searchable Archives:  http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>> Reflector
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:52:12 -0000
>From: "Roger Kennedy" < roger at wessexproductions.co.uk >
>To: < topband at contesting.com >
>Subject: Topband: " LOW POWER "
>Message-ID: <36286A84A8374435A1F80C31B6949646 at Packard>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Ah OK . . . apologies Nick, I didn't realise you were being sarcastic !
>
>Plus I presumed that the other station's Callsign was a special Contest
>Callsign that YOU were using.
>
>73 Roger G3YRO
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 11:05:54 +0200
>From: uy0zg < uy0zg at mksat.net >
>To: Roger Kennedy < roger at wessexproductions.co.uk >
>Cc: topband at contesting.com, Topband
>< topband-bounces+uy0zg=mksat.net at contesting.com >
>Subject: Re: Topband: " LOW POWER "
>Message-ID: < 9a41d6d343739cd3455d44da05eaa767 at mksat.net >
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>Thank you for understanding me, Roger
>
>We will not surrender to them alive :-)))))))))))))))))))
>
>---
>Nick, UY0ZG
>http://www.topband.in.ua
>
>Roger Kennedy ????? 2022-02-08 10:52:
>> Ah OK . . . apologies Nick, I didn't realise you were being sarcastic !
>>
>> Plus I presumed that the other station's Callsign was a special Contest
>> Callsign that YOU were using.
>>
>> 73 Roger G3YRO
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________
>> Searchable Archives:  http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>> Reflector
>
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