Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

[Jim Brown]

Hi Frank,

It was definitely Cleveland. Got my abbreviations wrong after 60 years. :)

Thanks, Jim

On 1/8/2022 12:10 PM, Frank W3LPL wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Didn't Carl Smith run CIE (Cleveland Institute of Electronics)
> and not CREI (Capitol Radio Engineering Institute)?
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K9YC" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: "topband" <topband at contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 5:36:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP
> 
> On 1/8/2022 7:27 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Topband wrote:
>> I recall a discussion on here some years ago which proposed that, whilst being an amazing antenna for top band, if you could achieve it, the broadcast model was not necessarily the best use of resources for amateur purposes, on the basis that broadcasters are mainly interested in ground wave to cover a defined relatively short range service area, whereas amateurs a more interested in dx.
> 
> The function of radial systems under a vertical radiator is solely to
> minimize loss in the very near field. That has nothing to do with the
> means of propagation -- i.e., ground wave vs skywave. With directional
> arrays of verticals, widely used it broadcasting as well as ham radio,
> they have a second function, directly related to the first, of
> controlling the nulls in the pattern by minimizing differences the
> contribution of each element by making those losses as small as possible.
> 
> Radial systems in broadcasting are (or at least were) controlled because
> licenses were granted on the basis of carefully controlled coverage
> areas, and for protection of other stations on the same or adjacent
> channels. I learned about this as an EE student, working in the
> consulting office of Pete Johnson, whose practice was designing these
> arrays to fit new stations into the AM band that had been full for 20
> years. Pete and Carl Smith (who ran CREI) wrote FCC AM technical Rules
> after WWII.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
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