Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 237, Issue 10
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> 1. Working 'long' distances on 160m (Steve Ireland)
> 2. Re: Working 'long' distances on 160m: EU-NA (H. Rester)
> 3. Working 'long' distances on 160m (Roger Kennedy)
> 4. Re: Working 'long' distances on 160m (Grant Saviers)
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> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 15:12:59 +0800
> From: Steve Ireland <stevevk6vz at tpg.com.au>
> To: "topband at contesting.com" <topband at contesting.com>
> Subject: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m
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> G?day all
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> Some food for thought.
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> Like Roger G3YRO and others who were teenage UK radio amateurs in the 1960s/1970s I grew up radio-wise on 160m. In those days, the holy grail was to work across the Atlantic from UK/Europe.
>
> Nowadays, living in Western Australia, it seems quite funny to think that working from Europe to into the east coast of North America is something that is still considered as real DX working on topband, as the distance is not relatively long and there is no shortage of stations (in theory!) at either end.
>
> Back in the late 1960s/early 1970s, UK stations (and others in Europe) could only legally use 10W DC input, so working this distance was really difficult and thus ?serious DX?. However, as the 1970s progressed, there were TL-922 linear amplifiers in use at various G-DXers (but of course, ahem, never on 160m).
>
> Some years after this, 400W output became both legal and commonplace below 1832KHz in the UK.
>
> Anyhow, my point is that the distance from Europe/the UK to east coast USA is relatively short ? from the UK?s Newcastle Upon Tyne (where Roger lives) to New York is about 3,330 miles (about 5,360 km) as the crow flies.
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> This is a very similar distance from Perth, Western Australia to Auckland, New Zealand ? but no serious Southern Hemisphere topband DXer would consider a contact between VK6 and ZL1 as a DX contact. ?
>
> On the other hand, Perth to Newcastle Upon Tyne is 9,056 miles (14,574 km) while New York to Perth is 11,613 miles (18,690km). That to me is DX. But Australia (Perth in particular) is a long way away from anywhere else.
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> All a question of perspective, history and where you live I guess. ?
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> Vy 73
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> Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD/VY2LF
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> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:07:31 +0200
> From: "H. Rester" <harryrester at gmx.de>
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m: EU-NA
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> From the viewpoint of old Europe it?s probably "just" the atlantic
> ocean, what has to be passed.? Thinking, that there is basically nothing
> in between the two continents than waves, storms and a view ships and
> the signal will be then received at another part of the world, which we
> only knew for some hundred years (and since then with a cultural
> conection). I like working UA9 or UA0, JA from DL as well, but the skip
> over the atlantic ocean "feels" somehow different.? Sounds kind of
> psychologically.
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> 73, Harry DH1NBE
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> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:22:24 +0100
> From: "Roger Kennedy" <roger at wessexproductions.co.uk>
> To: <topband at contesting.com>
> Subject: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m
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> I get what you're saying Steve . . .
>
> But to me, anything over 2,000 miles I consider DX on 160m . . . considering
> most stations on Top Band struggle to work stations 1,000 miles away.
>
> So I still consider it an achievement to work 'Across the Pond' on Top Band,
> which is why it still gives me a buzz!
>
> But I get what you're saying . . . where you are in Australia, a similar
> distance is still in the same country . . . as it is for most Americans.
> Whereas working across to a different continent seems more of an
> achievement, psychologically at least.
>
> What I HAVE noticed over the many decades I've been DX-ing on 160m, is that
> if you can work Across the Pond from England well on Top Band, you can
> pretty much guarantee to work anywhere in the world. (that's pretty much
> been my experience, anyway)
>
> And as you know - in my case, that has always been with a Dipole antenna!
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> When would be a good time to work you Steve?
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> Roger G3YRO
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> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 07:25:11 -0700
> From: Grant Saviers <grants2 at pacbell.net>
> To: "topband at contesting.com" <topband at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m
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> My perspective as originally a "1" in Boston and now residing near
> Seattle, is the nickname "suffering sevens" is well applied to my
> friends here in the Pacific Northwest.
>
> Simply, for the PNW, distance isn't that meaningful - it's path that
> matters (and latitude). What was easy in Boston at 42N is very hard in
> Seattle at 48N re EU on both 80 and 160. The path is mostly over land
> or ice and usually thru or around the edge of the aurora zone. Arrival
> angles for 80 peak at less than 10*. OTOH, JA's- yawn. Almost exactly
> the same 4790 miles either way, Seattle to Tokyo or London.
>
> So when you hear a "suffering seven" in EU, reach out. We also get a
> chuckle when "the band is open" messages get posted from EU and what we
> hear is only noise.
>
> I did get TB DXCC, all from PNW since 2018, so am not complaining. Just
> want some more ;) .
>
> Grant KZ1W
>
>> On 9/25/2022 00:12, Steve Ireland wrote:
>> G?day all
>>
>> Some food for thought.
>>
>> Like Roger G3YRO and others who were teenage UK radio amateurs in the 1960s/1970s I grew up radio-wise on 160m. In those days, the holy grail was to work across the Atlantic from UK/Europe.
>>
>> Nowadays, living in Western Australia, it seems quite funny to think that working from Europe to into the east coast of North America is something that is still considered as real DX working on topband, as the distance is not relatively long and there is no shortage of stations (in theory!) at either end.
>>
>> Back in the late 1960s/early 1970s, UK stations (and others in Europe) could only legally use 10W DC input, so working this distance was really difficult and thus ?serious DX?. However, as the 1970s progressed, there were TL-922 linear amplifiers in use at various G-DXers (but of course, ahem, never on 160m).
>>
>> Some years after this, 400W output became both legal and commonplace below 1832KHz in the UK.
>>
>> Anyhow, my point is that the distance from Europe/the UK to east coast USA is relatively short ? from the UK?s Newcastle Upon Tyne (where Roger lives) to New York is about 3,330 miles (about 5,360 km) as the crow flies.
>>
>> This is a very similar distance from Perth, Western Australia to Auckland, New Zealand ? but no serious Southern Hemisphere topband DXer would consider a contact between VK6 and ZL1 as a DX contact. ?
>>
>> On the other hand, Perth to Newcastle Upon Tyne is 9,056 miles (14,574 km) while New York to Perth is 11,613 miles (18,690km). That to me is DX. But Australia (Perth in particular) is a long way away from anywhere else.
>>
>> All a question of perspective, history and where you live I guess. ?
>>
>> Vy 73
>>
>> Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD/VY2LF
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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