Topband: 1940 kHz Intruder

Fri Jan 6 10:58:19 EST 2023

Fred, what made it easy was hearing an English language pop song that I could easily identify through the fading and static. Switching the VFO to the broadcast band, I simply scanned until I heard the same song. Confirmed it with several other songs that nailed it. My Korean is rusty so the music made it easy. 
Rick

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 8:16 AM, FRED BELGHAUS <fbelghaus at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Rick, you are probably correct.  I recall at least one prior problem with WWRU's signal several years ago.
> 
> Their programming is in the Korean language (according to Wiki).  If that's what you're hearing, BINGO.
> WADO's programming is Spanish, and has been for many years.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred W2AAB
> 
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 7:56 AM Rick Lapp <rick at ricklapp.net <mailto:rick at ricklapp.net>> wrote:
>> Frank, 
>> 1660 +10dB
>> 620 S4
>> 1010 +10dB
>> 1190 S6
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jan 6, 2023, at 7:36 AM, Frank W3LPL <donovanf at starpower.net <mailto:donovanf at starpower.net>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Rick,
>> > 
>> > If you're hearing more than one audio stream on 1940 kHz
>> > do you also hear program content from:
>> > 
>> >     1660 kHz  WWRU   or
>> >      620      WSNR
>> >     1010      WINS
>> >     1190      WLIB
>> > 
>> > tks
>> > 
>> > 73
>> > Frank
>> > W3LPL
>> > 
>> > 
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rick Lapp" <rick at ricklapp.net <mailto:rick at ricklapp.net>>
>> > To: "topband" <topband at contesting.com <mailto:topband at contesting.com>>
>> > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 12:07:50 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Topband: 1940 kHz Intruder
>> > 
>> > I’m fairly confident that I’ve identified the signal to be coming from 1660 kHz, WWRU in Jersey City NJ. There is considerable fading but I confirmed the source by listening to the programming, switching back and forth between two VFOs on the TS890. 
>> > 
>> > I’m located in Eastern Long Island, NY about 50 miles east of NYC. The 1660 signal is well over S9 and the 1940 is S4-5 max. At times, the signal changes abruptly in amplitude. 
>> > 
>> > Rick, KC2FD
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On Jan 5, 2023, at 10:23 PM, FRED BELGHAUS <fbelghaus at gmail.com <mailto:fbelghaus at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> If we mix 1280 and 1660 we get these 2 stations:
>> >> 
>> >> 1280 WADO 50 kW Day / 7200 W Night (Licensed to NYC) but transmitter in
>> >> Carlstadt, NJ
>> >> 1660 WWRU 10 kW Day & Night Jersey City, NJ
>> >> 
>> >> (Info via): http://mesamike.org/radio/cdbs/amdb.mvc
>> >> 
>> >> These stations are about 12 miles apart.
>> >> 
>> >> Fred W2AAB
>> >> 
>> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 12:21 PM Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com <mailto:lists at subich.com>> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> On 2023-01-05 11:26 AM, A J wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>>> It sounds like two station are there possibly more.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Intermodulaton (mixing) ...
>> >>> 
>> >>>> I heard a frequency 1610khz  said.
>> >>> 
>> >>> You have two frequencies, solve for the third.
>> >>>    1940 = 2 * x - 1610 = 1775 (out of band)
>> >>> or  1940 = 2 * 1610 - x = 1280
>> >>> 
>> >>> I would start looking at the allocations for a community
>> >>> where you have a 1610 and 280 close together (preferably
>> >>> co-located).
>> >>> 
>> >>> 73,
>> >>> 
>> >>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> >>> 
>> >>> On 2023-01-05 11:26 AM, A J wrote:
>> >>>> Hi All
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> It sounds like two station are there possibly more.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> I heard a frequency 1610khz  said.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> No directional antenna to the south east. Just North and NE nothing
>> >>>> heard on those. It is heard on the inverted V at varying levels.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> The info draws a picture. See link below.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> https://www.contesting.com/data/profile/ve3hj/photo.jpeg
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> AJ___ VE3HJ
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On 1/5/23 00:09, Frank W3LPL wrote:
>> >>>>> Hi Jim,
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> No one has yet reported a strong enough signal to be sure if its a
>> >>> mixing
>> >>>>> product or a harmonic.  Because everyone -- so far -- is reporting a
>> >>> weak
>> >>>>> signal I suspect its a mixing product.  Two reporters said that the
>> >>> audio
>> >>>>> is badly distorted and appears to carrying two programs.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> The signal it too weak here for me to analyze.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> It appears to radiate from the vicinity on northern NJ, NY City or
>> >>>>> southern NY
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Perhaps a Topbander is that vicinity will report a stronger signal
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 73
>> >>>>> Frank
>> >>>>> W3LPL
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "K9YC" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com <mailto:jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>>
>> >>>>> To: "topband" <topband at contesting.com <mailto:topband at contesting.com>>
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 4:48:50 AM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Topband: 1940 kHz Intruder
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> I'm much too far away to hear anything, but the obvious question is, "is
>> >>>>> it a harmonic or a mix?"  So is anyone hearing it loud enough to tell if
>> >>>>> there are two programs or only one?
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> On 1/4/2023 7:04 PM, samjos at epix.net <mailto:samjos at epix.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> From NE PA FN11VF bearing is roughly NNE. Too distorted to make out.
>> >>>>>> 
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