Dear Topbanders, In preparation for the upcoming 160 meter contest, I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to increase the support height of the vertical portion of an inverted "L". My ground resistance is estimated to be 17 ohms and this is about as low as I can go given the limitations of my property. Estimate based on ON4UN's book data. I'd be grateful if someone more computer-literate than I could determine the dB loss compared to a "ideal" full 1/4 wave vertical for each of the following cases. Assume whatever toploading is required is acomplished by the horizontal portion of the inverted "L." Case 1: Vertical portion 33' tall Case 2: Vertical portion 50' tall Case 3: Vertical portion 60' tall Thanks in advance! 73, Tim Colbert K3HX ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!