So much for loading it on 160, but, could you train the vines to carry a piece of #14 CU along with it on its way up, now that's the question...... k4oj -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search