Yeah and they are the ones that would not pay $20.00 for a KT34XA installed on a LM470. Hank -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: K7LXC@contesting.com Sponsored by Akorn Access, Inc & N4VJ / K4AAA