Steve - W8GAZ: We silently switched the subject around to true south so we can use shadows to find T.N.. Pretty sneaky, huh? 73 to all, K5GW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search.htm