Yes, several folks make verticals like Cushcraft's Ringo, a simple quarter wave. 73, Charlie, W0YG..>> -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search