Maybe Jay , in addition to having TEN rolls of 88, need to locate the "jakes" a litter further from the well. Chas. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search