I think u need to explain where true north is located ( then tell her to hit the trail). and i thought we got some crazy calls... 73, bud- k4isv -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search