As long as you don't put excessive pressure on them, they work fine. BUT, I'm still growing new skin when I tried to use one as an equal to a ratchet with socket. 73 Ed -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search