Well, one way to tell if anyone reads this stuff is to mispell winch. Thanks guys for the humorous comments. I stand corrected. Terry -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search