Steve Using CERABLEND is the way to go. If you cannot find it, try packing wet sand in the tubing and then bending with a Hickey. Bruce AA4Z -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search.htm