Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. I used the sledge hammer and water method. I think my arms will be sore tomorrow. 73 Mike, KT3U -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search.htm