I agree with Ham #1 but will vote Ham #2 because not every one has access to a transit, and I have also used Steve's method. 73 Earl VE7IN -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/towertalkfaq.html Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search.htm