[TowerTalk] Re: Questions
n4kg@juno.com
n4kg@juno.com
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:22:26 -0600
Answers intersperced below. de N4KG
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 "L. L. Lamb" <W4NL-KA4S@inscorp.com> writes:
> Hi Troops,
>
> This doesn't 'require' a reply, hi, but it would be helpful
> to me if you have some answers learned in your travels. I've
> done my research, with a respectable collection of antenna books,
> and found nothing helpful. I've never known the answers, so it's not
> something forgotten. I just hope the questions are clear.
>
> Number one: Coax chokes. We know x number of turns
> at a certain diameter is cricket for use with a triband beam.
> We also know that coax, wrapped neatly in one layer side by side,
> is best. This has not always been the norm as written in several
> books and used by most of us. We have "bunched"
> up the turns in the past and most likely not known the difference.
> For a tribander, x turns at y diameter, we kmow is a compromise for
> at least 14 to 30 mhz. My question is, what would be optimum for a
> single band? Assume RG-213, how many turns of what diameter
> for 24.9 mhz. ...or for any frequency?
This was answered eloquently by WA2SRQ back in 1998.
The following is from my archives. de N4KG
This was requested by someone on the list. I use coiled baluns on a th7
and
a cc 40-2cd with grat results. I blew up the original balun from the th7
and lost a bencher balun on the 40m to water infiltration. The coil
baluns
have neither of these faults.
Ed, WA2SRQ, is the author:
Ed Gilbert, WA2SRQ
eyg@hpnjlc.njd.hp.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Having access to a Hewlett-Packard 4193A vector impedance meter at work,
I
have made measurements on a number of baluns, coaxial and otherwise. For
my beams I was particularly interested how many turns and on what
diameter
are optimum for air core coaxial baluns, and what the effect of bunching
the turns was (formless). Using the remote programming capability of the
HP4193A along with an instrument controller, I measured the magnitude and
phase of each balun's winding impedance at 1 MHz intervals from 1 to 35
MHz. For comparison, I also made measurements on a commercial balun
which
consists of a number of ferrite beads slipped over a short length of
coax.
I've appended some of these measurements so you can draw your own
conclusions.
PVC pipe was used for coil forms. The 4-1/4 inch diameter baluns were
wound on thin-walled PVC labeled "4 inch sewer pipe". This material
makes
an excellent balun form. It's very light weight and easy to work with,
and
I obtained a 10 foot length at the local Home Depot for about 3 dollars.
The 6-5/8 inch diameter forms are 6 inch schedule 40 PVC pipe which is
much
thicker, heavier, and more expensive.
Each test choke was close-wound on a form as a single-layer solenoid
using
RG-213 and taped to hold the turns in place. The lengths of cable were
cut
so there was about 2 inches excess at each end. This allowed just enough
wire at the ends for connections to the HP4193A's probe tip. After data
was collected for each single-layer configuration, the PVC form was
removed, the turns were bunched together and taped formless, and another
set of measurements was taken. I have only included the "bunched"
measurements in the table for one of the baluns, but the trend was the
same
in each case. When compared to the single-layer version of the same
diameter and number of turns, the bunched baluns show a large downward
shift in parallel self-resonance frequency and poor choking reactance at
the higher frequencies.
Interpreting the Measurements
-----------------------------
All the baluns start out looking inductive at low frequencies, as
indicated
by the positive phase angles. As the frequency is increased, a point is
reached where the capacitance between the windings forms a parallel
resonance with the coil's inductance. Above this frequency, the winding
reactance is reduced by this capacitance. The interwinding capacitance
increases with the number of turns and the diameter of the turns, so
"more
is not always better".
The effects of a large increase in interwinding capacitance is evident in
the measurements on the balun with the bunched turns. This is probably a
result of the first and last turns of the coil being much closer together
than the single-layer coil. An important requirement of these baluns is
that the magnitude of the winding reactance be much greater than the load
impedance. In the case of a 50 ohm balanced antenna, the balun's winding
impedance is effectively shunted across one half the 50 ohm load
impedance,
or 25 ohms. A reasonable critera for the balun's winding impedance for
negligible common mode current in the shield is that it be at least 20
times this, or 500 ohms. The measurements show, for example, that 6
turns
4-1/4 inches in diameter meet this criteria from 14 to 35 MHz.
The measurement data also reveals the power loss these baluns will
exhibit.
Each of the measurement points can be transformed from the polar format
of
the table to a parallel equivalent real and reactive shunt impedance.
The
power dissipated in the balun is then the square of the voltage across it
divided by the real parallel equivalent shunt impedance. While this
calculation can be made for each measurement point, an approximate number
can be taken directly from the tables at the parallel resonance points.
At
0 degrees phase angle the magnitude numbers are pure resistive. I didn't
record the exact resonance points, but it can be seen from the tables
that
the four single-layer baluns are all above 15K ohms, while the ferrite
bead
balun read about 1.4K. These baluns see half the load voltage, so at
1500
watts to a 50 ohm load, the power dissipated in the coaxial baluns will
be
less than 1.3 watts, and the ferrite bead balun will dissipate about 13.4
watts (neglecting possible core saturation and other non-linear effects).
These losses are certainly negligible. At 200 ohms load impedance, the
losses are under 5 watts for the coaxial baluns and 53.6 watts for the
ferrite beads.
Conclusions
-----------
- A 1:1 coaxial balun with excellent choking reactance for 10 through 20
meters can be made by winding 6 turns of RG-213 on inexpensive 4 inch PVC
sewer pipe.
- For 40 or 30 meters, use 12 turns of RG-213 on 4 inch PVC sewer pipe.
- Don't bunch the turns together. Wind them as a single layer on a form.
Bunching the turns kills the choking effect at higher frequencies.
- Don't use too many turns. For example, the HyGain manuals for my 10
and
15 meter yagis both recommend 12 turns 6 inches in diameter. At the very
least this is about 3 times as much coax as is needed, and these
dimensions
actually give less than the desired choking impedance on 10 and 15
meters.
Measurements
------------
Magnitude in ohms, phase angle in degrees, as a function of frequency in
Hz, for various baluns.
---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
----------
6 Turns 12 Turns 4 Turns 8 Turns 8 Turns
Ferrite
4-1/4 in 4-1/4 in 6-5/8 in 6-5/8 in 6-5/8 in
beads
sngl layer sngl layer sngl layer sngl layer bunched
(Aztec)
---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
----------
Frequency Mag Phase Mag Phase Mag Phase Mag Phase Mag Phase
Mag
Phase
1.00E+06 26 88.1 65 89.2 26 88.3 74 89.2 94 89.3
416
78.1
2.00E+06 51 88.7 131 89.3 52 88.8 150 89.3 202 89.2
795
56.1
3.00E+06 77 88.9 200 89.4 79 89.1 232 89.3 355 88.9
1046
39.8
4.00E+06 103 89.1 273 89.5 106 89.3 324 89.4 620 88.3
1217
26.6
5.00E+06 131 89.1 356 89.4 136 89.2 436 89.3 1300 86.2
1334
14.7
6.00E+06 160 89.3 451 89.5 167 89.3 576 89.1 8530 59.9
1387
3.6
7.00E+06 190 89.4 561 89.5 201 89.4 759 89.1 2120 -81.9
1404
-5.9
8.00E+06 222 89.4 696 89.6 239 89.4 1033 88.8 1019 -85.7
1369
-15.4
9.00E+06 258 89.4 869 89.5 283 89.4 1514 87.3 681 -86.5
1295
-23.7
1.00E+07 298 89.3 1103 89.3 333 89.2 2300 83.1 518 -86.9
1210
-29.8
1.10E+07 340 89.3 1440 89.1 393 89.2 4700 73.1 418 -87.1
1123
-35.2
1.20E+07 390 89.3 1983 88.7 467 88.9 15840 -5.2 350 -87.2
1043
-39.9
1.30E+07 447 89.2 3010 87.7 556 88.3 4470 -62.6 300 -86.9
954
-42.7
1.40E+07 514 89.3 5850 85.6 675 88.3 2830 -71.6 262 -86.9
901
-45.2
1.50E+07 594 88.9 42000 44.0 834 87.5 1910 -79.9 231 -87.0
847
-48.1
1.60E+07 694 88.8 7210 -81.5 1098 86.9 1375 -84.1 203 -87.2
778
-51.8
1.70E+07 830 88.1 3250 -82.0 1651 81.8 991 -82.4 180 -86.9
684
-54.4
1.80E+07 955 86.0 2720 -76.1 1796 70.3 986 -67.2 164 -84.9
623
-45.9
1.90E+07 1203 85.4 1860 -80.1 3260 44.6 742 -71.0 145 -85.1
568
-51.2
2.00E+07 1419 85.2 1738 -83.8 3710 59.0 1123 -67.7 138 -84.5
654
-34.0
2.10E+07 1955 85.7 1368 -87.2 12940 -31.3 859 -84.3 122 -86.1
696
-49.9
2.20E+07 3010 83.9 1133 -87.8 3620 -77.5 708 -86.1 107 -85.9
631
-54.8
2.30E+07 6380 76.8 955 -88.0 2050 -83.0 613 -86.9 94 -85.5
584
-57.4
2.40E+07 15980 -29.6 807 -86.3 1440 -84.6 535 -86.3 82 -85.0
536
-58.8
2.50E+07 5230 -56.7 754 -82.2 1099 -84.1 466 -84.1 70 -84.3
485
-59.2
2.60E+07 3210 -78.9 682 -86.4 967 -83.4 467 -81.6 60 -82.7
481
-56.2
2.70E+07 2000 -84.4 578 -87.3 809 -86.5 419 -85.5 49 -81.7
463
-60.5
2.80E+07 1426 -85.6 483 -86.5 685 -87.1 364 -86.2 38 -79.6
425
-62.5
2.90E+07 1074 -85.1 383 -84.1 590 -87.3 308 -85.6 28 -75.2
387
-63.8
3.00E+07 840 -83.2 287 -75.0 508 -87.0 244 -82.1 18 -66.3
346
-64.4
3.10E+07 661 -81.7 188 -52.3 442 -85.7 174 -69.9 9 -34.3
305
-64.3
3.20E+07 484 -78.2 258 20.4 385 -83.6 155 -18.0 11 37.2
263
-63.2
3.30E+07 335 -41.4 1162 -13.5 326 -78.2 569 -0.3 21 63.6
212
-58.0
3.40E+07 607 -32.2 839 -45.9 316 -63.4 716 -57.6 32 71.4
183
-40.5
3.50E+07 705 -58.2 564 -56.3 379 -69.5 513 -72.5 46 76.0
235
-29.6
end
>
> Number two: Re: 30 Meters
I prefer horizontal polarization on 30M. Dipoles at
60 to 100 ft play VERY well. 80M dipoles act as
3/2 WL current fed Long Wires on 30M with an
SWR around 3:1 due to the fact that they are not
exactly 3/2 WL ( 3 X 3.5 = 10.5 MHz ) The
pattern has 6 lobes on 30M. de N4KG
FWIW, even elevated GP antennas seem to benefit
from additional radials. I use 10 radials at 16 ft on my
80M elevated GP. W8JI would probably recommend
more. de N4KG
>
> 73/dx lynn W4NL
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