[TowerTalk] Broken OWA monobander - Help!

Maurizio Panicara i4jmy@iol.it
Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:08:39 +0100


The SWR curve partly depends by how one decides to design (optimize) the
antenna.
The OWAs I built following my preferred criterias had a quite sharp SWR
increase over a certain frequency where gain and F/B are best. Below a much
lower frequency the SWR continues to be low and flat, althought the other
antenna parameters, gain and F/B, aren't any more satisfactory.
The flatness is not the only parameter to care about, because an OWA cell
can continue to show a very broad and low SWR curves but in a frequency
range where antenna gain, and expecially F/B, are not any more optimized .
By the way, the software I use and the real model built agreed very much in
results and didn't require any further adjustment.

73,
Mauri I4JMY


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jiří Šanda" <jirka@jimaz.cz>
To: "Dan Levin" <djl@andlev.com>
Cc: "towertalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:14 AM
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Broken OWA monobander - Help!


> Hello Dan,
>
> as an builder - and modifier of 13 pcs of OWA Yagis i can say the
following
> :
>
> I tried to model your design and got a little bit different data than you
> did - the explanation why is clear since you used NEC4WIN95 which does not
> model the OWA correctly - first director is too close. I used the
> EM-professional (and of course NEC4 I have not access to ) are the only
> programs known to me which models this problem more correctly. Here is the
> expected results from me. The model is not correct since the first .75"
> section is too thick and the .5" is too short to obtain correct data.
Anyway
> my agreement of modeled and measured data on my 13 antennas was + - 3 Ohm
> both real and imaginary. However I have found that the sensitivity of OWA
to
> correct dimensions is very big. -  difference of +0.5" in length of the
> driven element adds about 10j Ohms !!!
> It will be probably your problem. All this is provided that your measured
> data are correct, you ca nverify it by any SWR meter - it is easy. Just
> expect that the data measured with small power are more optimistic
compared
> to reality measured by MFJ or by SWR meter with high power.
>
> Here are results of my model:
> IMPEDANCE
> normalization = 50.
> frequency resistance reactance impedance phase   VSWR
> (MHz)     (ohms)     (ohms)    (ohms)    (deg)
> source =  1; node 38, sector 1
> 27.9      32.1879    -5.45229  32.6464   350.39  1.5845
> 28.       34.0725    -3.38623  34.2404   354.32  1.4799
> 28.1      36.0681    -1.45904  36.0976   357.68  1.3887
> 28.2      38.2431    .248614   38.2439   .37     1.3075
> 28.3      40.6573    1.59203   40.6884   2.24    1.2335
> 28.4      43.3229    2.34192   43.3862   3.09    1.164
> 28.5      46.1319    2.16985   46.1829   2.69    1.0967
> 28.6      48.7451    .703136   48.7502   .83     1.0296
> 28.7      50.4447    -2.34931  50.4993   357.33  1.0488
> 28.8      50.1515    -6.75971  50.605    352.32  1.1444
> 28.9      46.8713    -11.4134  48.2408   346.31  1.2762
> 29.       40.6044    -14.4867  43.1112   340.36  1.4636
> 29.1      32.7139    -14.567   35.8105   336.    1.7366
>
>
> All the best
>
> Jiri OK1RI
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-towertalk@contesting.com
> [mailto:owner-towertalk@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Dan Levin
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:22 PM
> To: tower talk
> Cc: L. B. Cebik
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Broken OWA monobander - Help!
>
>
> I am building a three stack of 10 meter OWA design yagi's for the upcoming
> 10 meter contest.  I just raised the first one to 35', and it doesn't
> exhibit anything like the impedence curve that I expected.  Any hints,
> sugggestions, etc. on what might be wrong and how to fix it would be most
> welcome.
>
> The antenna was built out of an old KLM Big Sticker 6 element monobander.
I
> took the KLM elements, and removed them from their black plastic
insulators,
> leaving me with 6' pieces of 5/8" tubing tapered at one end to 1/2".  I
> joined two of these with 12" of 3/4" .058 wall tubing at the center, then
> added back on the KLM 3/8" tips.   The driven element is split at the
center
> with a fiberglass rod, and fed with a Force 12 B1 balun.
>
> Here is the design (half-elements):
>
> .75"     .625"      .5"       .375"         Total length    Spacing
> 6"        67.75"    2.5"      32.375"         108.625"         0
>           69.75"    2.5"      32.125"         104.375"        44"
> 6"        67.75"    2.5"      22.375"          98.625"        69"
> 6"        67.75     2.5"      20.5"            96.75"        131"
> 6"        67.75"    2.5"      20.625"          96.875"       193"
> 6"        67.75"    2.5"      16.125"          92.375"       282"
>
> The antenna models in NEC4WIN95 to show between 38 and 53 ohms real and
less
> than 10 ohms imaginary. The SWR for 50 ohm coax is less than 1.3:1 across
> the band, with a dip to 1.08:1 at 28.8 Mhz.
>
> The real antenna looks like this, according to my MFJ-259B (vs. 50 ohm
coax)
>
> 28.0    30 + 10 = 1.7
> 28.1    29 + 8  = 1.7
> 28.2    29 + 6  = 1.7
> 28.3    29 + 6  = 1.7
> 28.4    30 + 8  = 1.6
> 28.5    31 + 8  = 1.5
> 28.6    33 + 9  = 1.5
> 28.7    35 + 8  = 1.5
> 28.8    35 + 7  = 1.4
> 28.9    33 + 8  = 1.5
> 29.0    28 + 8  = 1.8
>
> I wouldn't care, except that I plan to stack this antenna with a
StackMatch,
> and the power distribution will be uneven if the other antenna behaves as
> expected.
>
> The problem is that I can't figure out how to 'break' my model to give the
> above results.  Just changing the length of the first director doesn't fix
> it.
>
> Any ideas of what might be wrong?  My best current guess is that the
driven
> element is too short, probably because my model doesn't accurately deal
with
> the rod and feed wires from the balun.  But that, by itself, doesn't
account
> for the very low feed impdenence.
>
> Could my instrument be bad?  Can anyone think of what I might have done
> wrong?  I am pretty sure that the element lengths are as modeled, to
within
> .125" or so.
>
> Thanks a million!
>
>             ***dan, K6IF
>





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