Joe, I have the Force 12 C3SSS which has the liner loaded 20 elements at 28 feet in my back yard. The antenna kicks but. It is doing a fantastic job for me. Rich/AA2MF -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/towertalk Submissions: towertalk@contesting.com Administrative requests: towertalk-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-towertalk@contesting.com