[TowerTalk] Low Band Verticals

Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:05:39 EDT

In a message dated 9/5/2001 2:37:37 AM GMT Daylight Time, n4kg@juno.com 
writes:

<< Subj:     Re: [TowerTalk] Low Band Verticals
 Date:  9/5/2001 2:37:37 AM GMT Daylight Time
 From:  n4kg@juno.com
 Sender:    owner-towertalk@contesting.com
 To:    TOWERTALK@contesting.com

 ANY antenna is better than NO antenna.

(Yep, N0AH here responding in (........)  this point is true-except in the 
case of using certain products I promised myself I would not say anything 
about- )

 A GOOD antenna is better than a POOR antenna.

(Yep.............soooooooooo, whats your point? )

 TOP loading is better than BASE loading.

( Really??  I bet a HF2V will beat a 3 foot vertical top loaded any day of 
the week- )

 An MFJ 1792 is better than an HF2V.

(when did you test them side by side and what were the results?...)

 An HF2V *with* TOP Loading wires is better 
 than an HF2V *without* top loading wires.

(Thats what the manual say's too)

 (Better means LOUDER)..........(N4KG said that, not me!.....humm....)

 When KZ4V was using her HF2V  with 120 radials
 (and no toploading) she had to wait to get through
 the pileups on 80M.  With the vertically polarized
 Delta Loop or high dipole, she dominated many
 pileups.  She now has around 250 countries 
 worked on 80M with no special RX antennas.

(OK, so she had a better way to work 80 meters with a 90 foot tower.......why 
does that all of a sudden make a HF2V evil for hams who can't enhance their 
life with a 90 foot tower??????)

 I have documented 225 countries using my
 Top Loaded 80M Elevated GP (many / most
 Africans were previously worked on dipoles
 and not reworked).  

(Over time, anything is possible...so what does this have to do with the 
HF2V?)

 By comparison, the HF2V users you cited 
 are lagging behind.

(Lagging??? Huh?  Their efforts got published by the world's leading 
authority on the low bands- - Are you saying that hams trying to make the 
best with less then ideal circumstances are lagging behind those with some 
acerage? I'm lost.........I take it you just don't think much of the HF2V??)

 FH / G3SXW was 339 on my 500 ft Beverage
 aimed at Africa using his HF2V. I wonder
 how much better copy he would have been
 with a top loaded 80M vertical.

(well, like you said, you're in the log, sounds like a fb antenna he was 
using to me!)

 I suspect the MFJ 1792 would come in closer 
 to the Delta Loop performance than the HF2V 
 performance and requires no more space than
 the HF2V.  I'm grateful for all the 80M DX I have
 worked where HF2V's were deployed.  

(But you think the HF2V is a tuned dummy load, unworthy of any kind of 
praise...........so what's up here?  Have you tested the antenna's side by 
side? Can you provide us any data? Maybe I should just buy that MFJ 1026 
advertised as being better then an array- After all, it WIPES out static 
crashes)

 I have no affiliation with MFJ.  I just think 
 they make a BETTER  80 / 40 vertical.

(Ask 100 hams who have been on DXpeditions as to which antenna they would 
bring if they had to choose between the amazing MFJ 40/80 vertical or the 
HF2V.........)

 I hope more DXpeditions discover this
 great low band antenna.

(I've never seen a DXpedition with a MFJ antenna banner......but maybe you 
can be the first and take one with you on a $5,000 trip and give us all a new 
one.....I'm not trying to start something here, but over the years, I don't 
see MFJ being a leader in consumer satisfaction or setting records on 
DXpeditions)

 Tom  N4KG  (80M DXCC 322 and 80M WAZ with dipoles, 
        GP,  7 Beverages and 1200W Output)

(I repeat, .....it's all perspective.  If you have room for a 90 foot 
  tower, your friend's Inv V is a good choice, if you have room for 
beverages, fb, but we are talking about small lot's..............I can fit a 
HF2V in a 10x10 sand box...no, it won't get me DXCC in a weekend, but it is 
better then no antenna, a lot better- ) 
> 
 > 73  Paul  N0AH )   

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