[Towertalk] I need help

Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:15:47 -0800 (PST)

NATIONAL electrical code and NATIONAL Fire Protection Assoc are both
specific to the USA. I'm sure that Brazil (the orginal poster was from PY)
and Hong Kong (the person you were objecting to was a VR2) have codes that
are more stringent and more lax, depending on what sections you examine.
But in either case, the codes that should be followed are the codes in
those particular countries.

I myself am in the US and follow the NEC when it is convenient. :) Have
you seen all the lightning protection I'm supposed to put in? And I doubt
my chimney-mounted quad and roof-mounted vertical meet all the building
codes, either.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Thomas Miller wrote:

> The NEC is written by National Fire Protection Assc. As to what agencies
> choose to accept it has nothing to do with US.  The code is there to protect
> "life and property".  By proper engineering and following the code
> guidelines the risk to life will be reduced.  A lot of the code is common
> sense and why would you not want to install equipment in an unsafe manner.
> Tom AC5TM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hisashi T Fujinaka" <htodd@twofifty.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Towertalk] I need help
>
>
> > Isn't the NEC specific to the US?
> >
> > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Thomas Miller wrote:
> >
> > > It is against the NEC to run anything other than elevator cables in the
> > > elevator shaft.  This is to prevent fires and other "life saftey"
> issues.
> > > There must some sort of plumbing chase to get all the
> > > water/sewerage/electrical/telephone to the apts.  There usally is space
> to
> > > run in this  chase but not usally the easiest to find.  Large buildings
> have
> > > electrtical closets with nipples thru the floor.  If you do make you own
> > > holes make sure they are filled with fire retardent material to prevent
> > > spreading fires.  Some codes will require that wires that are not fire
> rated
> > > be run in conduit.  Do not risk lives for your hobby.  Follow the codes
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "VR2BrettGraham" <vr2bg@harts.org.hk>
> > > To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Towertalk] I need help
> > >
> > >
> > > > After removing the cables from the lift shaft, I would suggest PY4RO
> check
> > > into
> > > > the lift company's claim - if the building management allowed him to
> run
> > > them
> > > > there to begin with, there may be an element of "just say no" which
> may be
> > > > rearing its ugly head here.
> > > >
> > > > Quite a few stations in blocks of flats here & cables down the lift
> shaft
> > > > was not
> > > > a problem at VS6DX's QTH, despite well-intentioned British colonial
> > > building
> > > > laws & regulations, plus the usual uncooperative lift contractors,
> > > building
> > > > management & the like.
> > > >
> > > > Cables down the outside of the building can be problematic, but a few
> QTHs
> > > ago
> > > > I had 12 floors worth of feeders carefully lowered down the _back_ of
> the
> > > > building &
> > > > run between the wall of the building & external pipes, therefore
> keeping
> > > them
> > > > pretty much in place.  Done right, nothing for anyone to complain
> about &
> > > this
> > > > again was a rented flat with a typical HK building management company.
> > > >
> > > > It should be noted that in all instances, steps were taken - if
> > > necessary -
> > > > to make
> > > > sure there was no TVI or anything else to give anyone an excuse to say
> no.
> > > >
> > > > If there is no other way than the staircase, then I would suggest
> doing as
> > > > XX9KA did - everything in a conduit in one corner, straight down.
> > > Admittedly a
> > > > bit of work, but some PVC pipe & a little concrete is probably cheaper
> > > than
> > > > moving
> > > > flat.
> > > >
> > > > 73, VR2BrettGraham
> > > >
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