[Towertalk] I need help

[VR2BrettGraham]

W0ETC added:

>To my thoughts NEC is US specific and probably does not apply in PY 
>land.  With that said it is advisable to check and see whatever codes 
>apply, just in case.

Precisely.  NEC is not applicable outside USA.  It may not even apply in 
USA for
antenna feeders & non-mains voltage lines such as for a rotator, for all I 
know.

Without specifically suggesting to PY4RO what to do, I posted relevant 
experiences
in a high rise environment with what I suspect are even more stringent 
regulatory
requirements than in Brasil.

I would not be surprised that the objection to his running lines down the 
lift shaft is
baseless.  It is also possible that PY4RO has done it in a way that is 
wrong.  My
guess is that both may apply.

Perhaps my post should have suggested that PY4RO seek relevant suggestions
locally, or to have sent it to him directly.  Towertalk seems too 
US-centric, IMHO.

73, VR2BrettGraham

>---------- "Thomas Miller" <ac5tm@bellsouth.net> writes:
>
>From: "Thomas Miller" <ac5tm@bellsouth.net>
>To: <towertalk@contesting.com>, "VR2BrettGraham" <vr2bg@harts.org.hk>
>Subject: Re: [Towertalk] I need help
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:13:28 -0800
>
>It is against the NEC to run anything other than elevator cables in the
>elevator shaft.  This is to prevent fires and other "life saftey" issues.
>There must some sort of plumbing chase to get all the
>water/sewerage/electrical/telephone to the apts.  There usally is space to
>run in this  chase but not usally the easiest to find.  Large buildings have
>electrtical closets with nipples thru the floor.  If you do make you own
>holes make sure they are filled with fire retardent material to prevent
>spreading fires.  Some codes will require that wires that are not fire rated
>be run in conduit.  Do not risk lives for your hobby.  Follow the codes
>Tom
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "VR2BrettGraham" <vr2bg@harts.org.hk>
>To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
>Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [Towertalk] I need help
>
>
> > After removing the cables from the lift shaft, I would suggest PY4RO check
>into
> > the lift company's claim - if the building management allowed him to run
>them
> > there to begin with, there may be an element of "just say no" which may be
> > rearing its ugly head here.
> >
> > Quite a few stations in blocks of flats here & cables down the lift shaft
> > was not
> > a problem at VS6DX's QTH, despite well-intentioned British colonial
>building
> > laws & regulations, plus the usual uncooperative lift contractors,
>building
> > management & the like.
> >
> > Cables down the outside of the building can be problematic, but a few QTHs
>ago
> > I had 12 floors worth of feeders carefully lowered down the _back_ of the
> > building &
> > run between the wall of the building & external pipes, therefore keeping
>them
> > pretty much in place.  Done right, nothing for anyone to complain about &
>this
> > again was a rented flat with a typical HK building management company.
> >
> > It should be noted that in all instances, steps were taken - if
>necessary -
> > to make
> > sure there was no TVI or anything else to give anyone an excuse to say no.
> >
> > If there is no other way than the staircase, then I would suggest doing as
> > XX9KA did - everything in a conduit in one corner, straight down.
>Admittedly a
> > bit of work, but some PVC pipe & a little concrete is probably cheaper
>than
> > moving
> > flat.
> >
> > 73, VR2BrettGraham