[TowerTalk] Re: TowerTalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2
joegps
joegps at snet.net
Sat Aug 2 05:26:27 EDT 2003
Hi All,
When pulling any wires or cables, you should pull in
with them a pull line, for further cable pulls. next
use pulling compound an the wires or cables. When
pulling the wires or cables in remove any bundling
tapes from the wires.
Joe K1NCO
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> 1. Re: Pull rope twisted in conduit (Jim Lux)
> 2. Re: Pull rope twisted in conduit (Michael J.
> Donohue VE3YF)
> 3. FWD: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in
> conduit (Jim Idelson)
> 4. Pull rope twisted in conduit
> 5. Pull rope twisted in conduit
> 6. Old coax connectors . . . (Steve)
> 7. Old Coax Connectors (Gene Bigham)
> 8. Re: Pull rope twisted in conduit (Paul
> Playford)
> 9. RE: MA-550 Tubular Tower (Ralph Danyluk)
> 10. Re: Pull rope twisted in conduit (kb9yku)
> 11. Re: Pull rope twisted in conduit (Jim Idelson)
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> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:03:36 -0700
> From: Jim Lux <jimlux at earthlink.net>
> To: Jim Idelson <k1ir at designet.com>, TowerTalk Post
> <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in
> conduit
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> My vote would be to pull all the cables and ropes
> out, and suck a brand new
> rope through, then use that one to pull several new
> ones. A shopvac on one
> end will nicely pull mason's twine or equivalent
> through quite a long
> distance of conduit. If you need more air drag, a
> wad of masking tape
> works, as does one of those foam antenna balls.
>
> (You did limit the sum of bend angles in the
> conduit to 360 degrees
> between pull boxes, right? Some of those NEC rules
> exist for a good reason)
>
> At 10:51 AM 8/1/2003 -0400, Jim Idelson wrote:
> >Hi everybody,
> >
> >I pulled a couple of small cables through my 100
> foot 3" conduit that goes
> >from
> >the house to the tower. This time it was extremely
> difficult. I can't even
> >pull
> > the cable another inch. I'm lucky that it's just
> sticking out the other
> > end.
> >Seems like the pull rope is twisted around some of
> the cables; and getting
> >worse every time I pull something else through.
> What's the best way to deal
> >with this?
> >
> >A. Start using cable pull lubricant and don't wory
> about it?
> >
> >B. Fish a new pull rope through the conduit? If
> this is the right answer,
> >what's the right way to do it? This sounds like the
> proper thing to do, if I
> >can figure out how.
> >
> >73!
> >
> >Jim Idelson K1IR
> >email k1ir at designet.com
> >web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
> >See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self
> Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> >Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free,
> 1-800-333-9041 with
> >any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >TowerTalk at contesting.com
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>http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:08:12 +0000
> From: "Michael J. Donohue VE3YF"
> <mdonohue at sympatico.ca>
> To: Jim Idelson <k1ir at designet.com>
> Cc: TowerTalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in
> conduit
> Message-ID:
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> Hi Jim:
> Is pulling all the cables back out a
> viable option and just leave the
> rope in. Sort of like starting from scratch, but
> might be your only choice
> or pull the cables that are getting hungup from the
> opposite end ie the
> house end.
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF
> .
> At 10:51 08/01/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi everybody,
> >
> >I pulled a couple of small cables through my 100
> foot 3" conduit that goes
> >from
> >the house to the tower. This time it was extremely
> difficult. I can't even
> >pull
> > the cable another inch. I'm lucky that it's just
> sticking out the other
> > end.
> >Seems like the pull rope is twisted around some of
> the cables; and getting
> >worse every time I pull something else through.
> What's the best way to deal
> >with this?
> >
> >A. Start using cable pull lubricant and don't wory
> about it?
> >
> >B. Fish a new pull rope through the conduit? If
> this is the right answer,
> >what's the right way to do it? This sounds like the
> proper thing to do, if I
> >can figure out how.
> >
> >73!
> >
> >Jim Idelson K1IR
> >email k1ir at designet.com
> >web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
> >See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self
> Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> >Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free,
> 1-800-333-9041 with
> >any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TowerTalk mailing list
> >TowerTalk at contesting.com
>
>http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:11:46 -0400
> From: Jim Idelson <k1ir at designet.com>
> To: TowerTalk Post <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: FWD: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in
> conduit
> Message-ID:
> <lp1jbglok5luwzw.010820031211 at office.designet.com>
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> Message: 3
>
> Just may have to do this. The conduit is a straight
> run with sweep 45's at the
> ends. The only trouble is that there is CATV
> hardline in there, and that is
> hard to remove without doing damage. I may try a
> stiff fish tape first.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim Idelson K1IR
> email k1ir at designet.com
> web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> FROM: Jim Lux <jimlux at earthlink.net>
> TO: Jim Idelson <k1ir at designet.com>, TowerTalk
> Post
> <towertalk at contesting.com>
> DATE: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:03:36 -0700
>
> RE: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in conduit
>
> My vote would be to pull all the cables and ropes
> out, and suck a brand new
> rope through, then use that one to pull several new
> ones. A shopvac on one
> end will nicely pull mason's twine or equivalent
> through quite a long
> distance of conduit. If you need more air drag, a
> wad of masking tape
> works, as does one of those foam antenna balls.
>
> (You did limit the sum of bend angles in the
> conduit to 360 degrees
> between pull boxes, right? Some of those NEC rules
> exist for a good reason)
>
> At 10:51 AM 8/1/2003 -0400, Jim Idelson wrote:
> >Hi everybody,
> >
> >I pulled a couple of small cables through my 100
> foot 3" conduit that goes
> >from
> >the house to the tower. This time it was extremely
> difficult. I can't even
> >pull
> > the cable another inch. I'm lucky that it's just
> sticking out the other
> > end.
> >Seems like the pull rope is twisted around some of
> the cables; and getting
> >worse every time I pull something else through.
> What's the best way to deal
> >with this?
> >
> >A. Start using cable pull lubricant and don't wory
> about it?
> >
> >B. Fish a new pull rope through the conduit? If
> this is the right answer,
> >what's the right way to do it? This sounds like the
> proper thing to do, if I
> >can figure out how.
> >
> >73!
> >
> >Jim Idelson K1IR
> >email k1ir at designet.com
> >web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
> >See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self
> Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> >Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free,
> 1-800-333-9041 with
> >any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TowerTalk mailing list
> >TowerTalk at contesting.com
>
>http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:34:44 -0400
> From: brewerj at squared.com
> To: k1ir at designet.com, towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in conduit
> Message-ID:
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> Hi Jim,
>
> I had the same issue, but with smaller PVC (mistake
> on my part!).
>
> Anyway, cable lube is the way to go. Lowes has a
> giant sized tube
> and I think it was something like $4.
>
> In my case, I was pulling a 2nd run of RG8 through a
> 70' piece of
> 1 3/4" PVC which already had one run of RG8 and
> rotor cable.
>
> It turned out to be VERY easy with the cable lube...
> (but I still
> shoulda used 3" PVC!)
>
> John K5MO
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:39:52 -0000
> From: <kk9a at arrl.net>
> To: <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in conduit
> Message-ID: <000a01c3584b$8b59b750$cb5e70d1 at KK9A>
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> I have a 350 foot - 4" diameter conduit that I have
> fished wires through
> several times. I have many many wires in the
> conduit and I would never
> consider pulling them all out just to add additional
> wires. I install an
> extra 12ga electrical wire and use that for pulling
> future wires. When I do
> add wires, I dig up the end by the tower and remove
> the fittings so I can
> pull straight out of the pipe. If you can do that
> at both ends you'll
> really benefit as angle fittings (even 45 degree
> ones) add a lot of
> resistance. Also use plenty of pull lubricant.
>
> 73,
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir at designet.com>
> To: "TowerTalk Post" <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 14:51
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in conduit
>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I pulled a couple of small cables through my 100
> foot 3" conduit that goes
> from
> the house to the tower. This time it was extremely
> difficult. I can't even
> pull
> the cable another inch. I'm lucky that it's just
> sticking out the other
> end.
> Seems like the pull rope is twisted around some of
> the cables; and getting
> worse every time I pull something else through.
> What's the best way to deal
> with this?
>
> A. Start using cable pull lubricant and don't wory
> about it?
>
> B. Fish a new pull rope through the conduit? If this
> is the right answer,
> what's the right way to do it? This sounds like the
> proper thing to do, if I
> can figure out how.
>
> 73!
>
> Jim Idelson K1IR
> email k1ir at designet.com
> web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting
> Towers", "Wireless
> Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free,
> 1-800-333-9041 with any
> questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TowerTalk mailing list
> TowerTalk at contesting.com
>
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:25:00 -0400
> From: Steve <steveac at charter.net>
> To: TowerTalk at contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Old coax connectors . . .
> Message-ID: <3F2AA26C.1060906 at charter.net>
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>
> I have several PL-259 and SO-239 connectors that I
> acquired in the
> 1970's. Also a number of male-male barrels,
> female-female barrels and
> 90-degree male-female connectors.
>
> Do these type of connectors deteriorate with the
> passing of the years?
> Their finish has been dulled, but they are in good
> mechanical condition.
> They have been kept dry during storage, although
> exposed to the summer
> and winter time temperatures of an unheated/uncooled
> building.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:31:55 -0500
> From: "Gene Bigham" <jbigham2 at kc.rr.com>
> To: <TowerTalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Old Coax Connectors
> Message-ID:
> <001201c3585b$2fbd28e0$0900fea9 at kc.rr.com>
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>
> They should be like fine wine Steve!
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:29:24 -0000
> From: "Paul Playford" <w8aef at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir at designet.com>,
> "TowerTalk Post" <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in
> conduit
> Message-ID: <000201c3586d$d6030eb0$8aaafea9 at DESKTOP>
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>
> It sounds like you have quite a few cables in that
> conduit already.
>
> If it were mine I would pull all the cables out and
> pull them back in as a
> bundle. And depending on how full the conduit is
> perhaps forget about the
> pull rope.
>
> And pull-ez does help but it can be very messy.
>
> de Paul, W8AEF
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir at designet.com>
> To: "TowerTalk Post" <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:51 PM
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in conduit
>
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I pulled a couple of small cables through my 100
> foot 3" conduit that goes
> from
> > the house to the tower. This time it was extremely
> difficult. I can't even
> pull
> > the cable another inch. I'm lucky that it's just
> sticking out the other
> end.
> > Seems like the pull rope is twisted around some of
> the cables; and getting
> > worse every time I pull something else through.
> What's the best way to
> deal
> > with this?
> >
> > A. Start using cable pull lubricant and don't wory
> about it?
> >
> > B. Fish a new pull rope through the conduit? If
> this is the right answer,
> > what's the right way to do it? This sounds like
> the proper thing to do, if
> I
> > can figure out how.
> >
> > 73!
> >
> > Jim Idelson K1IR
> > email k1ir at designet.com
> > web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:21:14 -0700
> From: "Ralph Danyluk" <rdanyluk at telus.net>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] MA-550 Tubular Tower
> Message-ID:
> <HAEALPPIGGBMDJMMAGJAMEADNCAA.rdanyluk at telus.net>
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>
> Thank you to all who took time to contribute
> their experiences with the UST MA-550 Tubular Tower.
> I found it very valuable.
>
> 73,
> Ralph - VE7AOP
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:41:16 -0500
> From: "kb9yku" <kb9yku at comcast.net>
> To: "Paul Playford" <w8aef at worldnet.att.net>,
> "Jim Idelson" <k1ir at designet.com>,
> "TowerTalk Post" <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in
> conduit
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> for under streets thay make a two or 3 or 4
> compartmet pully liner for
> that one pull roop is each devided part and it cant
> tangel
> like visquean butt havey and will go in old
> conduwits just fine
> and it comes in flat rolls
> if thay make it in 3 in
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Playford" <w8aef at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir at designet.com>; "TowerTalk
> Post"
> <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in
> conduit
>
>
> > It sounds like you have quite a few cables in that
> conduit already.
> >
> > If it were mine I would pull all the cables out
> and pull them back in as a
> > bundle. And depending on how full the conduit is
> perhaps forget about the
> > pull rope.
> >
> > And pull-ez does help but it can be very messy.
> >
> > de Paul, W8AEF
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir at designet.com>
> > To: "TowerTalk Post" <towertalk at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:51 PM
> > Subject: [TowerTalk] Pull rope twisted in conduit
> >
> >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > I pulled a couple of small cables through my 100
> foot 3" conduit that
> goes
> > from
> > > the house to the tower. This time it was
> extremely difficult. I can't
> even
> > pull
> > > the cable another inch. I'm lucky that it's
> just sticking out the other
> > end.
> > > Seems like the pull rope is twisted around some
> of the cables; and
> getting
> > > worse every time I pull something else through.
> What's the best way to
> > deal
> > > with this?
> > >
> > > A. Start using cable pull lubricant and don't
> wory about it?
> > >
> > > B. Fish a new pull rope through the conduit? If
> this is the right
> answer,
> > > what's the right way to do it? This sounds like
> the proper thing to do,
> if
> > I
> > > can figure out how.
> > >
> > > 73!
> > >
> > > Jim Idelson K1IR
> > > email k1ir at designet.com
> > > web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self
> Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free,
> 1-800-333-9041 with any
> questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TowerTalk mailing list
> > TowerTalk at contesting.com
> >
>
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:11:54 -0400
> From: Jim Idelson <k1ir at designet.com>
> To: TowerTalk Post <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Re: Pull rope twisted in
> conduit
> Message-ID:
> <2q17c4ssftuxhay.010820031911 at office.designet.com>
> Precedence: list
> Message: 11
>
> Thanks for all the replies. I went out and got a 125
> foot fish tape at the Home
> Depot. It went completely through the conduit
> without any resistance
> whatsoever. I think the new plan is to take out the
> cables that I just
> installed and the pull rope, which are all twisted
> up. Then I'll pull the new
> cables back through individually. Can't believe how
> easily the fish tape went
> through. Makes me wonder if I should keep a pull
> rope in there at all.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim Idelson K1IR
> email k1ir at designet.com
> web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> FROM: Jim Idelson <k1ir at designet.com>
> TO: TowerTalk Post <towertalk at contesting.com>
> DATE: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:51:18 -0400
>
> RE: Pull rope twisted in conduit
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I pulled a couple of small cables through my 100
> foot 3" conduit that goes from
> the house to the tower. This time it was extremely
> difficult. I can't even pull
> the cable another inch. I'm lucky that it's just
> sticking out the other end.
> Seems like the pull rope is twisted around some of
> the cables; and getting
> worse every time I pull something else through.
> What's the best way to deal
> with this?
>
> A. Start using cable pull lubricant and don't wory
> about it?
>
> B. Fish a new pull rope through the conduit? If this
> is the right answer,
> what's the right way to do it? This sounds like the
> proper thing to do, if I
> can figure out how.
>
> 73!
>
> Jim Idelson K1IR
> email k1ir at designet.com
> web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
>
> ------------------------------
>
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