[TowerTalk] Help! Need specific tower/ant. photos for Zoning
Ken Schmidt
ken at steelintheair.com
Fri Dec 24 19:55:22 EST 2004
John,
As a zoner of cell towers with 100s of hearings under my belt- I will
suggest that the county will be more interested in seeing
"photo-simulations" of the actual proposed tower rather than seeing towers
in other areas that may or may not be the same height and where the tree
line may be shorter or taller.
If you already have photos with the balloon in them, it is a relatively
simple task to create "photo-simulations" of your proposed tower site for
the town. I personally use Photoshop to do photosimulations. If I read
your email incorrectly and you are actually planning on doing them already-
you don't need photos of a specific distance- just enlarge or shrink the
cropped tower to the correct scale.
May I ask what is the process for a tower in your jurisdiction? I assume
you are requesting a variance to the height limitation? Depending upon the
county, variances can be relatively difficult to receive, especially since
there will be a notice requirement whereby all your neighbors within a given
distance - between 250' to 1500' in some cases will be notified and
commments will be requested. Additionally, most variances require a public
hearing. If you want the process to go smoothly, petition your neighbors
ahead of time to get their approval. Many times, one neighbor in opposition
of a tower is enough to convince the board to reject a variance as the
standards for a variance require that you show a hardship imposed by the
inequitable application of zoning ordinances.
Thanks,
Ken
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2. Re: Kinstar (Jim Brown)
3. Re: PVC size vs qty (Gene Smar)
4. Help! Need specific tower/ant. photos for Zoning Board
(John WA2GO)
5. RE : [TowerTalk] PVC size vs qty (hermans)
6. Re: Pulling wire (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
7. re: TowerTalk] pull rope (Roger Parsons)
8. Re: Pulling wire (FireBrick)
9. Rohn 50' telescoping mast (kirk at kirkandjamie.com)
10. Yaesu G1000DXA Problem (JCMonty)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:05:06 -0600
From: "Jim Miller" <JimMiller at STL-Online.Net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] PVC size vs qty
To: "TOWERTALK" <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
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I ran my coax on top of the ground as the initial installation and the
"hurry up" and get it on the air. I am now contemplating digging in the PVC
and replacing the original coax which has probably had some slight nicks at
least or damage from the yard tractor chains, etc.
The question is whether it is better to install a single 4 inch PVC or two
or more as needed of 2 or 2 1/2 inch PVC pipes.
Thanks,
Jim KG0KP
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:06:26 -0600
From: "Jim Brown" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Kinstar
To: "towertalk at contesting.com" <towertalk at contesting.com>
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:50:18 -0500, Jim Jarvis wrote:
>use of 4 wires will tend to lower the Q of
>the system, widening bandwidth. This is often an issue
>with directional arrays.
The narrower bandwidth of arrays has to do with geometry (spacing,
azimuth, elevation) and phase relationships between the drive to the
elements. I wouldn't expect fattening the conductors to have MUCH
effect on that. But it would certainly broaden the resonance and
reduce the losses of a single element.
Jim Brown K9YC
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:30:00 -0500
From: "Gene Smar" <ersmar at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] PVC size vs qty
To: "Jim Miller" <JimMiller at STL-Online.Net>, "TOWERTALK"
<TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
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Jim:
Install TWO four-inch conduits! (I say this with only a tiny bit of
jest.)
But if you have a choice, I'd go with the larger PVC. I think if you
do the math, you'll see that the price for a given area of conduit space
(12+ sqin in the case of one four incher) is lower for the entire system of
conduits (pipe, joints, fittings and especially labor, etc) if you use a
larger diameter conduit.
Besides, whatever it is that you calculate for the as-needed amounts of
2 inch conduit you will undoubtedly exceed in short order, unless you bury
extra consuit - there's that cost element again.
BOTTOM LINE: Go with the larger diameter conduit, even a second one if you
can afford it.
73 de
Gene Smar AD3F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Miller" <JimMiller at STL-Online.Net>
To: "TOWERTALK" <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:05 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] PVC size vs qty
I ran my coax on top of the ground as the initial installation and the
"hurry up" and get it on the air. I am now contemplating digging in the PVC
and replacing the original coax which has probably had some slight nicks at
least or damage from the yard tractor chains, etc.
The question is whether it is better to install a single 4 inch PVC or two
or more as needed of 2 or 2 1/2 inch PVC pipes.
Thanks,
Jim KG0KP
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:22:28 -0500
From: "John WA2GO" <xnewyorka at hotmail.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Help! Need specific tower/ant. photos for Zoning
Board
To: towertalk at contesting.com
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Hi all,
I am filing a for a Building Permit in conjunction purchasing a great qth.
(21 hilltop acres at 41.7068N x 73.7543W)
The town has a 35' height restriction, but I think I can overcome it with
the help of PRB-1 and a very well-prepared application. (I am following
K1VR's book to the letter.)
I would like to include in my application some specific antenna photos that
simulate what I will be putting up. If you have a hilltop qth on a wooded
hill, with a tower high enough to get your antennas above the treetops, but
the view of the tower(s) is mostly or completely obscured by trees, could
you please email me some photos of your antennas taken from known distances.
Ideally, what I would like is as many of the following as possible, labeled
so I can tell what they are:
a photo from 100' - 200' away
a photo taken from 400' - 500' away
a photo taken from 750' away
a photo taken from 1,000 ft away
a photo taken from 2,000' away
a photo taken from X' away, where X is the distance at which an eagle-eye
(or binoculars) can still see the antenna, or at least be "kind of, sort of"
able to tell that it was there, but with the naked eye you could BARELY be
able to tell it is there - it's so hard to see that you almost have to
imagine it. (And I need to know what x is.)
Ideally, the photos (and especially the long distance photos) would show the
tower/antennas as being very difficult to see.
Preferably Rohn 25G or 45G type tower or equivalent (let me know what type
it is.)
I am planning to apply for a 140' tower, a 120' tower, and a 100' tower, and
possible a 160M 4-square. (4x130'). You don't need to have all this though
- even one tower is fine.
I floated a 3' weather balloon up to 150' and took photos, so if you want to
see a photo of that for comparison to your situation, write me and I'll send
it to you.
Thanks in advance - it's for a good cause!!!
73,
John
WA2GO
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:24:37 -0000
From: "hermans" <on4kj at skynet.be>
Subject: RE : [TowerTalk] PVC size vs qty
To: "'Jim Miller'" <JimMiller at STL-Online.Net>, "'TOWERTALK'"
<TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
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Hey Jim,
A 6 foot would be ideal.
btw I use 2 x 4"
Jos on4kj
Merry Xmas
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Objet : [TowerTalk] PVC size vs qty
I ran my coax on top of the ground as the initial installation and the
"hurry up" and get it on the air. I am now contemplating digging in the
PVC and replacing the original coax which has probably had some slight
nicks at least or damage from the yard tractor chains, etc.
The question is whether it is better to install a single 4 inch PVC or
two or more as needed of 2 or 2 1/2 inch PVC pipes.
Thanks,
Jim KG0KP
_______________________________________________
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Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with
any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:20:36 -0600
From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pulling wire
To: "Terry Gerdes" <terry at ab5k.net>, <towertalk at contesting.com>
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> What are the thoughts pertaining to condensation in the pvc pipe. Do you
> drill holes in the pvc pipe at the low points or just let the cables set
in
> water? Thanks
>
> Terry - AB5K
I have always intentionally put in a low spot. I put a hole in the conduit
under the low spot and put a nice little batch of rocks in the trench under
the hole. I have never had water fill the conduit (so far).
73 and Merry Christmas,
Joe
kk0sd
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:26:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Roger Parsons <ve3zi at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] re: TowerTalk] pull rope
To: towertalk at contesting.com
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....In emergencies I've 'borrowed' my wife's dish
washing soap....
What sort of household is this? Where I live, it's
'my' dishwashing soap!!!
Seasons Greetings to all
73
Roger
VE3ZI
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:39:46 -0600
From: "FireBrick" <w9ol at billnjudy.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pulling wire
To: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield at hotmail.com>, "Terry
Gerdes" <terry at ab5k.net>, <towertalk at contesting.com>
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I can almost guarantee that 'drilling' a hole in the pvc will not
work....for long.
If there is enough moisture to flow down to the hole, it will quickly
accumalate enough
debris to clog a hole.
A REAL TEE or FOUR WAY is the proper technique.
The suggestion of a dry well with gravel is proper technique.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary "Joe" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield at hotmail.com>
To: "Terry Gerdes" <terry at ab5k.net>; <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pulling wire
>> What are the thoughts pertaining to condensation in the pvc pipe. Do you
>> drill holes in the pvc pipe at the low points or just let the cables set
> in
>> water? Thanks
>>
>> Terry - AB5K
>
> I have always intentionally put in a low spot. I put a hole in the
conduit
> under the low spot and put a nice little batch of rocks in the trench
under
> the hole. I have never had water fill the conduit (so far).
>
> 73 and Merry Christmas,
> Joe
> kk0sd
> _______________________________________________
>
> See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless
Weather
> Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any
questions and ask
> for Sherman, W2FLA.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:22:03 -0600 (CST)
From: kirk at kirkandjamie.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Rohn 50' telescoping mast
To: towertalk at contesting.com
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Hello to the group. I have a Rohn 50' telescoping mast that I want to put
up in a semi-permanent location (for about a year). I am wondering what
the best way to guy this would be. What type of anchors and wire should I
use for this?
Thanks
Kirk
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:51:12 -0600
From: "JCMonty" <JCMonty at midsouth.rr.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Yaesu G1000DXA Problem
To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
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David has the answer. This presumes that the indicator is consistently lags
or leads the actual position by the same amount. If however the needle
overshoots or undershoots at the limits of rotation it is another problem,
possibly with the rheostat inside the rotor.
73 and MC/HN
Jim Montgomery AG4KM at arrl.net
-----Original Message-----
From: David Robbins K1TTT [mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:11 PM
To: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Yaesu G1000DXA Problem
Pull the needle off the dial and turn it to show where the antenna is really
pointed.
David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:towertalk-
> bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of baldwinz at bellsouth.net
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 21:47
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Yaesu G1000DXA Problem
>
> Hello,
>
> I've got a Yaesu G1000DXA rotor that's been up on my 55 tower turning a
> F12 C31XR for about 3 years. I had a lightning strike about 2 years ago
> that destroyed my control box but didn't seem to affect the rotor. But
> recently I have developed an annoying problem.
>
> The direction indicator on the control box will not sync up with the
> rotor. The rotor still points south at the far CCW stop and points west
> at the far CW stop. But for some reason the control box seems ot be 20 to
> 30 degrees out of sync and it can not be adjusted to account for this
> difference.
>
> Has anyone ran into this before or can someone offer advice on how to
> resolve it?
>
> Thanks & 73s,
> W4TDX
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with
> any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
>
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