[TowerTalk] Re: static cat
Bill Aycock
baycock at direcway.com
Sun Mar 21 19:29:33 EST 2004
Didier- IMHO, your first paragraph has such fundamental errors that the
rest cannot be supported. The charge on the earth side is NOT uniform over
miles; the earth is not a superconductor and has finite resistance. All
common descriptions I have seen showing the charge distributions show both
the earth and the clouds with charge, but of opposite sign. This is
contrary to your first statement.
Bill
At 12:07 PM 3/21/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>The problem is that the ground is not charged, the clouds are charged.
>Think of the earth and the cloud as both plates of a capacitor, except
>that the bottom plate is a few 10 of thousands of miles long and
>conductive, and the top plate (the cloud) is a few thousand feet wide, and
>basically a charged insulator (each water droplet is charged, but isolated
>from its neighbor. The charge on the earth side is for all practical
>purposes infinite. You cannot drain it to anywhere because it always
>returns to earth.
>
>When charges escape the porcupine, they do not make it to the cloud. They
>just dissipate in the air and return to ground, so they do not contribute
>to reducing the charge in the cloud. I'll agree that they may locally
>reduce the field in the air somewhat (as seen from a distance of a few
>feet). The argument is whether that reduction is sufficient to reduce the
>probability of a lightning coming from hundred or thousands of feet higher up.
>
>Think of it another way. The earth is conductive. At least until lightning
>strikes causing great amounts of currents, before that point little
>current flows, so the potential along the earth is not affected very much
>by a few charges flowing out of a porcupine because the earth is
>conductive and charges are replaced as soon as they escape. Charges may be
>flowing out and into the air, but the earth's potential is the same, and
>the potential difference between earth and the cloud is what causes the
>lighting to go.
>
>The other side of the argument is whether it is actually a good thing to
>eliminate smaller strikes, as they act as bleeders and may prevent the
>larger strikes.
>
>I am not sure I want a lightning protection device that would reduce the
>number of smaller strikes at the expense of greater probability of getting
>the big one.
>
>There is a lot of anecdotic evidence that these types of devices work, but
>no serious, objective, peer reviewed studies to support the same.
>
>The bottom line, as long as you are happy with it, and you do not cause
>other problems doing this, why not do it? Just be aware that it may or may
>not work, and it may even increase the probability of getting a serious hit.
>
>73,
>Didier KO4BB
>
>At 10:20 AM 3/21/2004, you wrote:
>>I think that's the key. Their web page is misleading, but, in my own
>>belief, not entirely wrong. Yes, there will be direct strikes to the
>>tower, even the whiskers. But before the differential reaches the point
>>of discharge, I think the whiskers are trying hard to discharge it
>>slowly, thus preventing some of the smaller strikes.
>
>
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Bill Aycock - W4BSG
Woodville, Alabama
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