My experience is not unlike Gary's good results of having a 4 Square in the woods. Last year, the K1RX MM managed to beat K3LR on 80 CW using this array. That certainly speaks well of the verticals in the woods! (Thanks to the op - KF1V) Is it now time to move to a yagi and get above those large sticks of wood? NOT Regards, Mark, K1RX