[TowerTalk] simultaneous Horizontal and Vertical antennas

[Gary Schafer]

Jim Lux wrote:
> At 11:24 AM 4/4/2005, Gary Schafer wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> The antenna I used was a ta33 and I mounted a vertical dipole out on the
>> end of the boom near the director. I realize it was kind of a crude way
>> of doing it as the beam had more gain than the vertical dipole but the
>> basic properties of vertical and horizontal were there.
>>
>> I ran equal length cables and made an additional length of cable the
>> proper electrical length to compensate for the physical spacing
>> difference between the vertical element and the driven element of the
>> beam. That put them both electrically at the same point in time.
>>
>> I used an additional 90 degree length of line to switch into either feed
>> line to get either right hand or left hand circular polarization.
> 
> 
> Since the antennas aren't equal gain, you had more of an elliptical 
> polarization.
> 
> The TA33 probably has fairly sharp nulls and is fairly directive. The 
> dipole does not, but is lower gain, so what it will do is effectively 
> "fill in" the nulls.
> 
> 
> 
>> I found that when signals were fading rapidly, 5 to 10 seconds apart,
> 
> 
> Implying strong multipath (the attenuation (absorptiona and 
> reflectivity) of the ionosphere doesn't change all that fast).. however, 
> the polarization properties DO change on that sort of time scale.  It's 
> extremely noticeable on AM shortwave, where the two sidebands fade 
> differently.
> 
> 
>> It was not multi path. The two antennas were separated by 6 or 8 feet
>> but in line with the other station and the delay line put the two at the
>> same point in time electrically.
> 
> 
> Not multipath in the "ground reflections" sense (like you would with a 
> VHF link).. the multipath is at a grander scale and more diffuse.
> 
> 
> 
>> The path was about 2000 miles to a friend. We met on several days and
>> always found the same results.
> 

Thanks for the comments Jim Lux.

How would you account for the disappearance of the signal when switching 
between right hand and left hand polarization if it were not circular 
polarization propagation?

73
Gary  K4FMX