***WARNING**** DISHONEST SELLER K4IDC/KB4IDC : [TowerTalk] Large MastFor Sale...last one

[Jerry Keller - K3BZ]

Geez, Bob... calm down. You'd think that he poisoned your dog or something, the way you're acting. 
Get a grip. You have a business disagreement with the guy, it's not the end of the world.

You did this before. Every time you do this, your over-reaction compels me to write that:

I did business with Robin Midgett K4IDC, he treated me real well on the used aluminum tower I bought 
from him and went out of his way to get it to me, it was everything he said it was, and I was very 
happy with the deal. It's been up now for over a year and I still think I got a good buy.

Robin has done business with a lot of guys on TT. If a bunch of guys were on here complaining about 
bad deals with Robin, I'd be concerned.  Doesn't it make you wonder that you don't have a lot of 
company in your long "PUBLIC SERVICE" railings?

I spoke out here the last time you did this. Then you and I had a long private conversation about 
it. It's just not right to use the leverage that this (or any) reflector gives you to exact revenge. 
That's not what it's for. I don't know K4IDC (except for the transaction above) but I'd feel 
compelled to say this no matter who it is.

Bob, for a long time I've liked and respected you for who you are and what you've accomplished. 
You've been a role model for me. But this sort of thing is simply wrong. Let it go. If you must 
continue to froth at the mouth, do it direct with Robin, or on some individual basis.  If you 
continue to do it here, you are saying a lot more about Bob Shohet than you are about Robin Midgett.

73,  Jerry Keller K3BZ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shohet" <kq2m at earthlink.net>
To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:37 AM
Subject: ***WARNING**** DISHONEST SELLER K4IDC/KB4IDC : [TowerTalk] Large MastFor Sale...last one


> WARNING!!!  DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH KB4IDC
>
> CONSIDER THIS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT AND WARNING
> NOT TO BUY ANYTHING FROM K4IDC, ex-KB4IDC
>
> In June, in response to a posting on THIS reflector made by Robin Midgett,
> K4IDC, (then KB4IDC), I agreed to purchase some rohn torque arms and rohn
> guy brackets that had been cold galvanized, along with the rohn hardware for
> same.
>
> What I received was:
>
> 1) One tower inner bracket that K4IDC FABRICATED, with (he ADVERTISES
> himself as a Metal Fabricator) made with two holes drilled SO CLOSE
> to each other that it is unavoidable the tiny metal space in-between would
> break
> and compromise the guy system and the tower!
> 2) Torque arms with LARGE Burrs and metal slag
> 3) Torque arms with metal wires that had NOT been removed
> before galvanizing.
> 4) UNSAFE GRADE 2 nuts and bolts, NOT the ROHN SPEC GRADE 5
> bolts which are standard for these items.  This was CONFIRMED by tower talk
> subscribers!
>
> NONE OF THESE DEFECTS & OMISSIONS WERE DISCLOSED AND NONE WERE VISIBLE IN
> THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HE CHOSE TO SEND!
>
> When I sent an angry email describing the omissions and misrepresentations
> and a demand for a FULL REFUND here is what happened:
>
> Did I get an apology?  NO!
> Did he offer to FABRICATE a NEW, SAFE inner tower bracket?  NO!
> Did I get an offer to provide the agreed upon hardware?  NO!  I got response
> that said he (A METAL FABRICATOR, NO LESS!!) did not know that they were
> supposed to be Grade 5 Bolts and instead gave me the name of someone at Rohn
> SO THAT I COULD BUY THEM (AGAIN!) !
> Did I get a refund? NO!  He said that he would NOT take them back and that I
> should never email him again!
> Mr. Midgett stated that "I got what I paid for" and that there would be NO
> REFUND and never to email him again.
> Mr. Midgett took NO responsibility for his WILLFUL OMISSIONS AND
> MISSTATEMENTS and simply washed his hands of this transaction which was
> outright FRAUDULENT!
>
> In addition, when previously responding to my statements on THIS reflector,
> Mr. Midgett DELIBERATELY referred to pictures that DID NOT show the damage
> to and defects of the items!  Of course,  he FAILED TO MENTION THIS RELEVANT
> FACT to the towertalk readers in his disingenuous towertalk response.  Mr.
> Midgett also failed to acknowledge the fact that had he HONESTLY disclosed
> and shown (in his pictures) the damage and defects to these items, I WOULD
> NOT HAVE BOUGHT THEM AT ANY PRICE!
>
> I have the emails and would be glad to forward them to anyone that is
> interested.
>
> If Mr. Midgett had any sense of responsibility for HIS omissions, and
> misrepresentations, K4IDC, ex-KB4IDC would have cheerfully offered a FULL
> REFUND, but I would have considered:
>
> A) His providing me the CORRECT hardware that he was supposed to provide in
> the first place and a partial refund and another Inner Bracket PROPERLY
> DRILLED!
> B) A partial refund so that I could buy the hardware that he was supposed to
> provide
> C) A reduced purchase price that would take into account the problems
> mentioned above.
>
> However, he chose to do NOTHING except and accept NO responsibility!
>
> I was RIPPED OFF!  In 10 years of buying things from sellers on Towertalk
> and
> QTH.NET I have NEVER run into a situation where someone who omitted, erred
> or misrepresented items would not cheerfully take them back for a full
> refund.
>
> In selling more than 1200 items in Ebay I have never had even one Neutral or
> Negative.  I believe in FULL DISCLOSURE and I practice it on EACH AND EVERY
> TRANSACTION!
>
> Mr. Midgett DELIBERATELY FAILS TO DISCLOSE defects and problems,
> MISREPRESENTS items, makes mistakes and then STICKS YOU THE BUYER with
> results.  His manner is IRRESPONSIBLE AND DISHONEST and you should AVOID
> dealing with him!
>
> Frankly, for his willful and intentional conduct and REFUSAL to make this
> right, I believe that he should be thrown off this reflector, and since he
> chose to advertise and sell these items on THIS reflector, it is ENTIRELY
> RELEVANT
> that his irresponsible conduct and defective products be addressed here.
>
> OTHER items that that Mr. Midgett might have advertised on this reflector
> and transactions consummated with subscribers are NOT relevant to discussion
> of THIS transaction.  EACH AND EVERY TRANSACTION STANDS ALONE!
>
> This is about how Mr. Midgett has conducted business and what he has tried
> to get away with when he though he could.
>
> If you insist on doing business with Mr. Midgett carefully consider what I
> have said and can easily document through forwarding of HIS pictures and
> emails and his COMPLETE lack of responsibly and interest in making this
> right!
>
> Finally, ask yourself how you would feel if the car that you bought had two
> bolt holes in the suspension (where there was supposed to be only ONE hole)
> that were drilled SO CLOSE TOGETHER that when under stress at some point the
> metal would crack, the car would shift and you might have a high-speed
> accident!  Then imagine that the CAR SELLER KNEW about this defect and
> REFUSED TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT and in pictures of the car, FAILED TO SHOW IT!
>
> Now imagine a 130' Rohn 45 tower with this defective bracket cracking in a
> 70 mph wind gust.  Imagine what COULD happen to the bracket and the guys and
> the tower when everything shifted and became unbalanced in the wind and/or
> ice.
>
> Bob Shohet, KQ2M
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "KB4IDC" <KB4IDC at comcast.net>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:08 AM
> Subject: [TowerTalk] FS: Work Platform fits 25G Tower, Coax Jumpers,7/8"
> Connectors
>
>
>> Greetings,
>> I have two steel work platforms that fit Rohn 25G tower for sale. They are
>> made of angle and tube and flat stock steel, with expanded mesh tread
>> surfaces for your feet. Both are freshly hot-dipped galvanized. They weigh
>> ~ 20 lbs each; easily UPS shippable. I'm asking $130.00 for each,
>> negotiable. Pics upon request.
>
>
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