[TowerTalk] Banishment?

[K7HPH]

Thanks for the insight Perry. Couldn't have figured it out without you...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shohet" <kq2m at earthlink.net>
To: "Jerry Keller" <k3bz at arrl.net>; "TowerTalk" <towertalk at contesting.com>; 
"W0UN -- John Brosnahan" <shr at swtexas.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Banishment?


> There are several issues here.
>
> 1) Someone has been banned from the reflector, purportedly because the
> administrator
> wasn't happy with the result of the transaction.
>
> If this is true, it was inappropriate and spiteful on the part of the
> administrator.
>
> If not, it should be addressed and explained on this reflector.
>
> 2) Some people, like, W0UN, K3BZ are already making judgments that the
> person who is banished is not telling the truth.  On what basis?  Because
> you
> like K7LXC?  That is also irresponsible!
>
> NO ONE, except for K7LXC and the other party really know what happened!
> "Judgments" in the absence of the facts of THIS SPECIFIC TRANSACTION AND
> SITUATION, are based on bias and ignorance and serve no valid purpose.
>
> To simply dismiss and overlook what has been said because it doesn't "fit"
> your idea of who
> someone is or isn't, is irresponsible.
>
> 3) EVERY TRANSACTION STANDS ON ITS OWN!  Other transactions are not
> relevant.  It doesn't matter what someone has or has not done in the past.
> If they have
> screwed up and dishonored their responsibilities as a vendor, then they
> should face
> the music and make it right.   PERIOD!    Past history, "good feelings",
> etc. are IRRELEVANT!
>
> I can just imagine that chaos that would reign if court judges in this
> country thought,
> "I think I will just overlook these facts, and dismiss the complaint 
> because
> after all
> I KNOW this guy and had good dealings with him".  (Yes, sometimes they do
> this,
> but that doesn't make it acceptable, does it?!)
>
> If what is alleged is NOT what happened, then K7LXC should say so.  Not
> because I
> think so, but because it is the right thing to do, both as towertalk
> administrator as well
> as the vendor in question, since BOTH aspects are in question here.
>
> The allegations are serious and need to be addressed.  In my opinion is it
> NOT
> appropriate to remain silent.
>
> Personally, I do not like or trust silence or secrecy.  Neither is
> appropriate.
>
> 4) Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  However, idle speculation 
> and
> gossip and
> "judgments" without the evidence to dispute what has been claimed, is
> not appropriate or acceptable.   Certainly, the allegation of attempting 
> to
> silence
> someone because of a dispute and to eliminate criticism is VERY serious! 
> It
> is what happens
> in Russia and China.  It is NOT supposed to be acceptable behavior in our
> country, and pretending to overlook it IS cowardly.
>
> How about it Steve?  What happened?
>
> Bob KQ2M
>
>
>> >But what if it was NOT a true copy? Frankly, I find it hard to attribute
>> >that message to the Steve
>> >Morris K7LXC I'm familiar with here on TowerTalk. It just doesn't sound
>> >like him, and until Steve
>> >says different, I'm not ready to believe it.
>> >
>> >73,  Jerry K3BZ
>>
>> Jerry-- I agree!
>>
>> If you read the note that was attributed to Steve carefully, you will see
>> there IS another
>> side of the story.
>>
>>  > > I don't know about any other time, but I just unsubscribed you and
> will
>>  > > put you on the permanently banned list because this seems like the
> only
>>  > > thing I can do to get some satisfaction from you regarding getting
> ripped
>>  > > off for my Champion Radio Products merchandise and only hearing from
>> you via
>>  > > credit card disputes.
>>  > >
>>  > > Cheers,
>>  > > Steve   K7LXC
>>
>> It sounds like Steve feels that HE was ripped off for his products, ie,
>> that he never
>> got them back and never had any communications from the guy until he had
> the
>> credit card dispute.
>>
>> So, it appears there are TWO sides of the story.  And since I only know
> one
>> party
>> and all experiences with him have been very satisfactory I will remain
>> unmoved by
>> the purported claim that Steve somehow did this guy wrong.
> /towertalk
>
>
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