[TowerTalk] Inverted Vee vs. Dipole QRN

[K8RI on TowerTalk]

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From: "Bill Turner" <dezrat at copper.net>
To: "K4SAV" <RadioIR at charter.net>
Cc: <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Inverted Vee vs. Dipole QRN


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> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:51:32 -0600, K4SAV <RadioIR at charter.net> wrote:
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>>An inverted vee is not more susceptible to QRN than a dipole.
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> I have to disagree, for two reasons:
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> 1. An inverted vee has a vertical component of radiation, and man-made
> noise is predominantly vertically polarized, so an inverted vee will
> pick up more man-made noise than a dipole.

The question was about QRN (natural), not QRM (man made).
However QRN is predominately vertically polarized and in theory the 
inverted - V would hear more. In practice I doubt  the user would be able to 
tell the difference most of the time as the difference is not great.  In the 
past I've noticed substantial differences between true verticals and either 
type wire antenna "at times".  I've never been able to tell much difference 
between the inverted V and dipole.  What I have noticed when the bands are 
really busy with lots of QRM the lower angle of the vertical discriminates 
against the closer stations or stateside QRM so I can hear the DX much 
better.

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> 2. An inverted vee with an apex angle of about 90 degrees is almost
> perfectly omnidirectional in the azimuth plane, whereas a dipole is
> quite directional, having sharp nulls off the ends. If you are lucky

Again I've never noticed the sharp nulls off the ends of a dipole BUT and I 
hasten to add that by nature they are much closer to the ground (75 and 160) 
than the big antennas (20, 15, & 10) and as such have quite distorted 
patterns. IE they become much higher angle radiators with less defined 
patterns.

Roger Halstead (K8RI and ARRL 40 year Life Member)
N833R - World's oldest Debonair CD-2
www.rogerhalstead.com (Use return address from home page)

> enough to have the dipole's end pointed toward a noise source, the
> dipole will be quieter than the vee.
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> Bill, W6WRT
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