[TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's

Tue Jul 3 00:35:37 EDT 2007

Even "remote" doesn't come with any gurantees.  Purchase 20 acres, set up a 
remote with antenna farm, developer sells land around you, large group of 
fancy homes go up, form a HOA of which you aren't a member.  Soooo....they 
don't like the looks of the antennas. Even though you were there first they 
file a lawsuit. It's happened to many airports already.  With time and money 
you'd probably prevail and get your money back...maybe, but they can make it 
inconvenient and expensive for the moment, maybe years. Then as it's a 
remote location "things can happen".

Roger (K8RI)

Well......maybe.

It just depends on how far you are willing to move and how much you want to
stay on HF.

Regards

Dave Harmon
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok.

-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Johnson
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:06 PM
To: Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Cc: towertalk
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's

Unfortunately, I agree that remote stations are going to be
increasingly necessary in the future.  I also agree that a UHF radio
link is the way to go if the remote station is close enough.  On the
other hand, Rick, you clearly understand how impractical it is from a
financial standpoint for those of us living in California.  I'm sure
that 10 acres or whatever you have out in the valley wasn't
inexpensive.  I certainly can't afford remote property within UHF
radio distance of my home here in Saratoga.  I'd love to have a remote
station on the East Coast, but then you have to deal with the
attrocious communication latency AND you have to fly back and forth to
work on the station.   Cheap land is still available in Nevada, but
that's also not within UHF radio distance.

Let's face it, most hams do not have the financial resources (esp. in
California) to do what broadcast stations do.

A more likely scenario is that more hams will be required to use club
stations.  W6YX and N6IJ are two really good club stations within an
hour or so of here.  N6IJ is even planning to support remote operation
one of these days.

In spite of the difficulties many have with putting antennas up at
their house, it is still possible.  Even here in Silicon Valley I can
name at least 5 cities with reasonable zoning ordinances and you can
find pretty decent non-HOA/non-CC&R properties on which to live in all
of them.  You can't have a killer contest station, but you can put up
a multiband yagi or more.   The important thing is that you avoid HOA
and CC&R controlled communities which usually means avoiding anything
build since the early 70's.  Many of the nicest communities around
here were built before then.  It's really annoying to me that hams
that want antennas are being forced into older neighborhoods and can't
buy in new developments or newer cities, but that's the way it is.

On 7/2/07, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <richard at karlquist.com> wrote:
> Other radio services often have the station/studio and antenna
> in separate locations, for good reasons.  EG, broadcasters,
> land mobile, marine shore stations.  Time to catch up with the
> rest of the world.
>
> Many remote base stations, both ham and non-ham, use UHF radio
> as the "studio to transmitter link", instead of internet/phone
> lines.  So it is not the same as a cell phone call.
>
> A little appreciated benefit of remote base stations is the
> ability to listen on your own frequency while transmitting.
> This is invaluable in pileups.  I have a remote base 70 miles
> away AND a local station.  I can hear myself, but not very loud.
> This is the ultimate in break-in operation.
>
> Rick N6RK
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> > [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Mark Robinson
> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:43 AM
> > To: hermans; 'Scott W3TX'; 'Krishna Kanakasapapathi'; 'Alan NV8A'
> > Cc: 'towertalk reflector'; 'Tom Osborne'
> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using
> > CC&R's
> >
> >
> > To me having the antenna and the station at the same place is all
> > part of it
> > otherwise I might as well just make a cell phone call. Just my
> > take on it -
> > too each their own though
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark N1UK G3ZZM
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "hermans" <on4kj at skynet.be>
> > To: "'Scott W3TX'" <superberthaguy at adelphia.net>; "'Krishna
> > Kanakasapapathi'" <kkanakas at cisco.com>; "'Alan NV8A'" <nv8a at att.net>
> > Cc: "'towertalk reflector'" <towertalk at contesting.com>; "'Tom Osborne'"
> > <w7why at verizon.net>
> > Sent: Monday, 02 July, 2007 9:38 AM
> > Subject: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's
> >
> >
> > In other words " outplacement " Hey we heard about that elsewhere.....!
> > Technically a very interesting matter, but dont you are affraid to lose
> > great deal  of your independence.
> > Please leave the shot guns in the cupboards.......!
> >
> > Jos
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> > [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] De la part de Scott W3TX
> > Envoyé : lundi 2 juillet 2007 3:28
> > À : Krishna Kanakasapapathi; Alan NV8A
> > Cc : towertalk reflector; Tom Osborne
> > Objet : Re: [TowerTalk] Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's
> >
> >
> > This is why the future of amateur radio will depend, to some degree,
upon
> > remote stations.
> >
> > We need to collectively get over the idea that our antennas need to be
> > co-located with our home!
> >
> > 73, Scott W3TX
> >
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