[TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's

Tue Jul 3 02:14:40 EDT 2007

Darn.....how did you guess that???

Regards

Dave Harmon
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok.

-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richard (Rick)
Karlquist
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:50 AM
To: Roger (K8RI); k6xyz; 'towertalk'
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's

In the situation you describe, you can sell out to developers
for a boatload of money and then go buy any QTH you want.

Rick N6RK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Roger (K8RI)
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:36 PM
> To: k6xyz; 'towertalk'
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using
> CC&R's
>
>
> Even "remote" doesn't come with any gurantees.  Purchase 20
> acres, set up a
> remote with antenna farm, developer sells land around you, large group of
> fancy homes go up, form a HOA of which you aren't a member.
> Soooo....they
> don't like the looks of the antennas. Even though you were there
> first they
> file a lawsuit. It's happened to many airports already.  With
> time and money
> you'd probably prevail and get your money back...maybe, but they
> can make it
> inconvenient and expensive for the moment, maybe years. Then as it's a
> remote location "things can happen".
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
>
> Well......maybe.
>
> It just depends on how far you are willing to move and how much
> you want to
> stay on HF.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Harmon
> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
> Sperry, Ok.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Johnson
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:06 PM
> To: Richard (Rick) Karlquist
> Cc: towertalk
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's
>
> Unfortunately, I agree that remote stations are going to be
> increasingly necessary in the future.  I also agree that a UHF radio
> link is the way to go if the remote station is close enough.  On the
> other hand, Rick, you clearly understand how impractical it is from a
> financial standpoint for those of us living in California.  I'm sure
> that 10 acres or whatever you have out in the valley wasn't
> inexpensive.  I certainly can't afford remote property within UHF
> radio distance of my home here in Saratoga.  I'd love to have a remote
> station on the East Coast, but then you have to deal with the
> attrocious communication latency AND you have to fly back and forth to
> work on the station.   Cheap land is still available in Nevada, but
> that's also not within UHF radio distance.
>
> Let's face it, most hams do not have the financial resources (esp. in
> California) to do what broadcast stations do.
>
> A more likely scenario is that more hams will be required to use club
> stations.  W6YX and N6IJ are two really good club stations within an
> hour or so of here.  N6IJ is even planning to support remote operation
> one of these days.
>
> In spite of the difficulties many have with putting antennas up at
> their house, it is still possible.  Even here in Silicon Valley I can
> name at least 5 cities with reasonable zoning ordinances and you can
> find pretty decent non-HOA/non-CC&R properties on which to live in all
> of them.  You can't have a killer contest station, but you can put up
> a multiband yagi or more.   The important thing is that you avoid HOA
> and CC&R controlled communities which usually means avoiding anything
> build since the early 70's.  Many of the nicest communities around
> here were built before then.  It's really annoying to me that hams
> that want antennas are being forced into older neighborhoods and can't
> buy in new developments or newer cities, but that's the way it is.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/2/07, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <richard at karlquist.com> wrote:
> > Other radio services often have the station/studio and antenna
> > in separate locations, for good reasons.  EG, broadcasters,
> > land mobile, marine shore stations.  Time to catch up with the
> > rest of the world.
> >
> > Many remote base stations, both ham and non-ham, use UHF radio
> > as the "studio to transmitter link", instead of internet/phone
> > lines.  So it is not the same as a cell phone call.
> >
> > A little appreciated benefit of remote base stations is the
> > ability to listen on your own frequency while transmitting.
> > This is invaluable in pileups.  I have a remote base 70 miles
> > away AND a local station.  I can hear myself, but not very loud.
> > This is the ultimate in break-in operation.
> >
> > Rick N6RK
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> > > [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Mark Robinson
> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:43 AM
> > > To: hermans; 'Scott W3TX'; 'Krishna Kanakasapapathi'; 'Alan NV8A'
> > > Cc: 'towertalk reflector'; 'Tom Osborne'
> > > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using
> > > CC&R's
> > >
> > >
> > > To me having the antenna and the station at the same place is all
> > > part of it
> > > otherwise I might as well just make a cell phone call. Just my
> > > take on it -
> > > too each their own though
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark N1UK G3ZZM
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "hermans" <on4kj at skynet.be>
> > > To: "'Scott W3TX'" <superberthaguy at adelphia.net>; "'Krishna
> > > Kanakasapapathi'" <kkanakas at cisco.com>; "'Alan NV8A'" <nv8a at att.net>
> > > Cc: "'towertalk reflector'" <towertalk at contesting.com>; "'Tom
> Osborne'"
> > > <w7why at verizon.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, 02 July, 2007 9:38 AM
> > > Subject: [TowerTalk] RE : Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's
> > >
> > >
> > > In other words " outplacement " Hey we heard about that
> elsewhere.....!
> > > Technically a very interesting matter, but dont you are
> affraid to lose
> > > great deal  of your independence.
> > > Please leave the shot guns in the cupboards.......!
> > >
> > > Jos
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> > > [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] De la part de Scott W3TX
> > > Envoyé : lundi 2 juillet 2007 3:28
> > > À : Krishna Kanakasapapathi; Alan NV8A
> > > Cc : towertalk reflector; Tom Osborne
> > > Objet : Re: [TowerTalk] Deed _protection_ for antennas using CC&R's
> > >
> > >
> > > This is why the future of amateur radio will depend, to some degree,
> upon
> > > remote stations.
> > >
> > > We need to collectively get over the idea that our antennas need to be
> > > co-located with our home!
> > >
> > > 73, Scott W3TX
> > >
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